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First of all, sorry that my first post is going to appear like it's a rant, but let me start by saying that since I subscribed to PS+ a few days ago, I've actually been pretty happy with it.

 

The one thing I don't like though, is seeing the difference, and I mean a BIG difference, in the amount of content between PS+ in the UK, and PS+ in the US.

 

I've compared the UK content list for this first month with what is available on the US PS+ service up to now (they update weekly, and they still have another update to go before we roll to month 2, so the difference in content will be even greater). I found the list here. Comparing the two services, it seems that subscribers in the US get all of the content we do in the UK (with the exception of Destruction Derby, which seems to have been replaced with Rally Cross). However, they also get all of this extra content, too:

 

Free content
Critter Crunch
Syphon Filter
Kahoots
Warhawk Fallen Star Pack
Cuboid DLC
Magic Orbz DLC
Mahjong Tales Booster Pack
Qore Episode 26
MAG avatars
LBP avatar
Heavy Rain avatar

Discounted Games and DLC

Super Stardust HD + expansions
Gauntlet 2
Rampage
Rampart
Hamsterball
Gravity Crash
Echochrome
Resistance 2 Skin Pack
Crash Bandicoot 3: Warped
Super Street Fighter IV Avatar Pack

 

So this is basically a thread to ask, why the massive difference? We have FirstPlay in the UK, which would seem to me to be very similar to Qore, however, we don't get that for free with PS+. We also don't get the extra 2 minis, extra PSOne classic and countless extra DLC and price promotions that US customers get.

 

My main concern is, we're not even finished with the first month yet. What's the content gap going to be like when Plus has been around for a year? If it carries on like this, we could miss out on a whole lot of content that other subscribers will get, despite the fact that Plus is $50 in the US, and £40 ($62) in the UK. I'm not too worried about price though, more the principle that we're being asked to pay similar amounts for far less content.

 

Is this going to be rectified in subsequent months? I can only hope so, as like I said, although it may not seem so from this post, I actually do like Plus as a service. It just annoys me that we're not seeing a similar amount of value out of the service in terms of the content offered.

 

Hopefully this will be addressed in future updates.

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Been like this for years on all content
Movies hit the EU later then the US
Reasons why ? easy

Loads of nations loads of issues to sort out before being released in the EU. Only way to solve this would be all use the same laws and english with the euro. That for all nations which are under the SCEE group.
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Loads of nations loads of issues to sort out before being released in the EU. Only way to solve this would be all use the same laws and english with the euro. That for all nations which are under the SCEE group.

 

 

or just copy Microsoft on how they treat all nations equally the same & problem will be solved.

 

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With respect to the opening poster, I thought myself that the differences between US and UK PS+ services would have been obvious, given the Europeans have and always will be treated as second class PS3 users in the eyes of Sony. Of course they'll quote localisation issues until they're blue in the face, but as Wiipass says, Microsoft manage it

 

I'm not a PS+ subscriber and tbh, I see absolutely no value in subscribing personally, even for our US cousins.

 

Why on earth are Sony offering free mini's and PS1 classics? I'd be willing to subscribe had the service come with PS2 classics and most certainly have subscribed if the service offered further functionality for my PS3 (party chat springs to mind) amongst others.

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wiipass wrote:

 


nerdlegend wrote:

Loads of nations loads of issues to sort out before being released in the EU. Only way to solve this would be all use the same laws and english with the euro. That for all nations which are under the SCEE group.

 

 

or just copy Microsoft on how they treat all nations equally the same & problem will be solved.

 


 

 

Sadly

 

Xbox live is supported in even less nations then PSN. So less nations have stores which is why they get more equal content

Devil in the detail

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Honest question here...

 

Out of all the US content offered at discount as "extras" on their PS+, how many of those have also been on heavy offer (either temporary or permanent) in the EU region?

 

Magic Orbz I picked up last month for the same prices as the US PS+ offer. Joast, Gauntlet and Super Sprint have all taken a permanent price reduction in the EU recently too - down to about the amount the US PS+ are getting.

 

This is a very focused, narrow view of "Us Vs Them". It doesn't look at any kind of broader picture of the differences in the regions.

 

Yes, it's nice for the US that as a PS+ subscriber you get a lot more in the way of offers - but our "normal" EU PSN users have had those offers already and the US hasn't.

 

I'm sure it's not all like that, and the US have offers we have missed out on etc. However, I'm just saying that we really need to question the overall situation - not just look at the US PS+

 

I've already had the advantage of most of those US PS+ offers vefore PS+ started, why should I now be jealous the US are being offered what I was offered already as a normal use?

 

What we need, is somebody to go through all the deals over the last six months and see who ends up better. I'm pretty sure it's the US to be honest, but hell - they get free coffee refills in restaurants - I'm not suddenly going to complain about every restaurant in the UK ripping us off because they're not the same as America.

 

Each division works under a different economy and with different negotiating people with different localised divisions of different publishers. It's a nightmare to try and keep "a level playing field". However, the Sony way of business seems better arranged to encourage more freedom and support of new developers and publishers. I think the bigger picture is massively complex and we're looking too closely on one tiny bit and complaining.

 

My overall point will always be this:

If you bought PS+ in the EU, did it give you what was offered? If it did, you have no reason to complain, it got what you paid for. Being jealous of what is offered somewhere else doesn't make any difference. Life is tough, other people get more benefits than us, people in the US may well be jealous of our free healthcare ( PMSL ). You got what you paid for. If you didn't think it was value, you shouldn't have bought it.

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i have said this before on the eu blog, but sonys big excuse is we dont get as much content because as fast because of localisation which is fine for psn updates but plus is bunch of stuff that was already available on the store all they have done is reduced he price or changed it to free so there should be no difference in content.
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Oh, and the OP is wrong. That's NOT the US's first month of PS+ - it's their second month.

 

The US are a week ahead in their PS+.

 

Just because people don't seem to realise this:

Last week's US PS+ releases were the first week of their SECOND MONTH'S WORTH OF CONTENT. The US is a week ahead of us on PS+


Maybe somebody will read that and finally understand, but I doubt it... :(

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Oh, and the OP is wrong. That's NOT the US's first month of PS+ - it's their second month.

 

The US are a week ahead in their PS+.

 

Just because people don't seem to realise this:

Last week's US PS+ releases were the first week of their SECOND MONTH'S WORTH OF CONTENT. The US is a week ahead of us on PS+


Maybe somebody will read that and finally understand, but I doubt it... :(


maybe you will read and understand that america have got over 100 items and eu has got 14 items on our plus store. who cares what update it is the point is we get less
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And tomorrow our PS+ will update and we'll get more content to bring us more in line with the American PS+

 

They are getting NO more free PSN games than the EU. NO more free minis than the EU. NO more free PS1 games than the EU.

 

They are getting more deals, which I've already pointed out have been available to EVERYONE IN THE EU for many months prior.

 

The "hundred items" are irrelevent. It's like walking through town and being offered a leaflet every two yards by somebody offering you £1 off a £5 meal. Yeah, it's nice to have, but in reality, you're not going to use the majority of them.

 

But, the absolute basic point is "you are getting what you paid for, and were well informed IN ADVANCE of what it would be". If you didn't like it, you didn't have to sign up. If you feel aggrieved by all the benefits you get as an American, move to America. There's lots they have that we don't in the UK. I'm sure that somebody in Norway would more than happily take on your UK account that offers much more than it does in Scandinavia.

 

You paid for a service, you knew what you were paying for, you are getting that. I don't see the issue with the US getting maybe £2 more of content a month? Who really, really cares?

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And tomorrow our PS+ will update and we'll get more content to bring us more in line with the American PS+

 

They are getting NO more free PSN games than the EU. NO more free minis than the EU. NO more free PS1 games than the EU.

 

They are getting more deals, which I've already pointed out have been available to EVERYONE IN THE EU for many months prior.

 

The "hundred items" are irrelevent. It's like walking through town and being offered a leaflet every two yards by somebody offering you £1 off a £5 meal. Yeah, it's nice to have, but in reality, you're not going to use the majority of them.

 

But, the absolute basic point is "you are getting what you paid for, and were well informed IN ADVANCE of what it would be". If you didn't like it, you didn't have to sign up. If you feel aggrieved by all the benefits you get as an American, move to America. There's lots they have that we don't in the UK. I'm sure that somebody in Norway would more than happily take on your UK account that offers much more than it does in Scandinavia.

 

You paid for a service, you knew what you were paying for, you are getting that. I don't see the issue with the US getting maybe £2 more of content a month? Who really, really cares?


are you kidding? so you think the EU plus is going to get 85 items on the 4th?. and who care if its a free psn game a mini or discount dlc, its still a better deal, and while you are correct i did no what i was paying for i was never told that i would recieve less than america. ps+ is worth it to me i just want to see that everyone is treated equally not just sonys target market getting all the goods while we get the scraps.
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I'm  currently compiling an accurate comparison between the two stores and PS+ offerings.

 

It shows on first glance, that if you were in the US, you'd get savings of a few pounds and a couple of themes and avatars.

 

I'll post the proper thing tomorrow once I've finished.

 

The thing is, Sony don't need to tell you what they are releasing in the US. It's the US and they're a different country. They offer you a service for a price. You choose if it is of value to you or not. If you choose it is of value, you purchase it. It's the way the world works.

 

Anyway, I'm off to order som "Gas" from America. Not only is it considerably cheaper, but they have an offer of a free toy mustang in B.P. stations over there we don't get from the B.P. garages here. I think it's disgusting that they sell petrol for so much more here and never told me I would be getting an old aitr freshener with my petrol purchase, as opposed to the better US deal :P

 

 

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I'm  currently compiling an accurate comparison between the two stores and PS+ offerings.

 

It shows on first glance, that if you were in the US, you'd get savings of a few pounds and a couple of themes and avatars.

 

I'll post the proper thing tomorrow once I've finished.

 

The thing is, Sony don't need to tell you what they are releasing in the US. It's the US and they're a different country. They offer you a service for a price. You choose if it is of value to you or not. If you choose it is of value, you purchase it. It's the way the world works.

 

Anyway, I'm off to order som "Gas" from America. Not only is it considerably cheaper, but they have an offer of a free toy mustang in B.P. stations over there we don't get from the B.P. garages here. I think it's disgusting that they sell petrol for so much more here and never told me I would be getting an old aitr freshener with my petrol purchase, as opposed to the better US deal :P

 

 


well good luck with that. so what your saying is this is fine and im completely unjustyfied in complaining? so is it ok when they give white people more than black people or any other type? its bordering on discrimination, just because were not there target customers we dont deserve as much. and your B.P. toy Analogy is just dumb and in no way the same and you know it. i have said it before but who cares if it just £2 or 2p worth of savings its still not equal across all regions and that is the major problem. i have no problem with what i have got from plus so far even though i owned wipeout and lbp i still got a years sub because i want to support sony and see where it goes but i dont want to pay more to get treated as second class to america, is that really such a bad thing?

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I believe that the point Furiekins is trying to make is this:
Using made up games, as I haven't bothered to investigate!

UK Store - for ALL users (not just PS+)
Game "shoot them all".
Original price £9.99

Discounted 3 months ago, Current price £7.50

US Store - ALL Users
Game "shoot them all" - price £9.99 (obviously in equivalent $)

US Sore - PS+ ONLY
Game "shoot them all" - 25% discount, taking price to £7.50


In this example, the 25% discount would be an extra that UK PS+ subscribers do not get.

And on the face of it, therefore, US are better off, as they get an extra discount over UK

However, digging deeper, UK and US (for PS+ subscribers) is the same, and in fact the UK is better off, as everyone got the 25% discount, 3 months ago.

 




I for one, am waiting for Furiekins' analysis - even though ultimately I personally couldn't care less what the US get, as I am happy to pay for what I am getting.

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PS + is a failure and discrace to Eu it promised exclusive content and monthly updates, The games offered are all old ones that were all ready on PSN (VERY EXCLUSIVE) and for monthly updates was released end of June the month before July it's now AUGUST THE MONTH AFTER JULY......... WHERE IS OUR UPDATE. Fantastic work Sony i recommend all PS+ a bin to dump it in.
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Furiekins, I see where you're coming from with the DLC comparison, but for free stuff, the US have a lot more at the moment. These are their extra free games & DLC so far:

 

Critter Crunch
Syphon Filter
Kahoots
Warhawk Fallen Star Pack
Cuboid DLC
Magic Orbz DLC
Mahjong Tales Booster Pack
Qore Episode 26
MAG avatars
LBP avatar
Heavy Rain avatar

 

Unless the EU PS+ services get free copies of Critter Crunch, Syphon Filter and Kahoots tomorrow, the US service will still have more free PSN and PSOne games than us.
 

 


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Yeah mate it sucks that the US is getting the royal treatment yet again while us europeans get shafted constantly. I hope they do change it but honestly this is Sony we are talking about. Your post is falling on deaf ears. The best thing to do is wait until your subscription expires and never renew it again. Thats what I'm doing. Speaking with your wallet is the only way companys take notice

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And this is why I didn't join Plus :Thumbs:

 

I knew this was going to happen, SCEA have advantages over everything. Store content, Home, Video Store. You name it..

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Below is the list of the first four weeks of PS+ on the US store, and the equivalents on the EU PS+ AND EU Store.

 

While, say, the Magic Orbz DLC was free on PS+ in the US, in the UK, the "Bundle" which contained all the DLC was reduced massively in Europe for all PSN customers (between May and June, when I picked it up). The priced reduction is similar and the time offered likewise.

 

There is a difference of 44 items on the US store to an equivalent EU offering of 23 items. This covers the first four weeks of both PS+ sections, and prior offerings on the EU store that are equivalent to what the US PS+ people get.

 

Here's the list anyway:

 

USEU
WipEout HD (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)WipEout HD (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Rally Cross (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)Destruction Derby(Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Age of Zombies (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)Age of Zombies (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Warhawk Fallen Star Pack (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)Premium Game Element: KillZone 2: Steel & Titanium DLC
Collision Theme (Free and Exclusive to PlayStation Plus subscribers)LBP Theme
Fat Princess: Pink Princess Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)Fat Princess: Pink Princess Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Fat Princess: Blue Princess Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)Fat Princess: Blue Princess Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Fat Princess: Fat Roles Expansion Pack (PlayStation Plus price $3.99, original price $4.99)Fat Princess: Fat Roles Expansion Pack - 20%
Infamous: Full Game TrialShatter: Full Game Trial
Gauntlet II (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)Savage Moon: Full Game Trial
Mortal Kombat II (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)LBP God of War Pack – 50%
Rampage (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)LBP: LocoRoco costume pack – 50%
Rampart (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)
Cuboid (PlayStation Plus price $7.99, original price $9.99)
Cuboid Booster Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $2.99)
Cuboid Bundle Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $4.99)
Cuboid Level Editor (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $3.99)
Interpol: The Trail of Dr. Chaos (PlayStation Plus price $7.99, original price $9.99)
Magic Orbz (PlayStation Plus price $7.99, original price $9.99)Magic Orbz – Bundle Pack (was – £9.99/€12.99 now – £5.19/€6.49)
Magic Orbz Booster Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $2.99)Magic Orbz – Booster Pack (was – £2.39/€2.99 now – £1.19/€1.49)
Magic Orbz Jungle Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $2.99)Magic Orbz – Winter Pack (was – £2.39/€2.99 now – £1.19/€1.49)
Magic Orbz Winter Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $2.99)
Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom (PlayStation Plus price $7.99, original price $9.99)
Mahjong Tales: Ancient Wisdom Booster Pack (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $4.99)
Smash Cars (PlayStation Plus price $11.99, original price $14.99)
Smash Cars: Virus Run (PlayStation Plus price FREE, original price $2.99)
Wakeboarding HD (PlayStation Plus price $11.99, original price $14.99)Wakeboarding HD (was – £11.99/€14.99 now – £6.29/€7.99)
Qore Episode 26 (July Single episode Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Field Runners (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers) Field Runners (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers)
MAG Raven Character Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers)
MAG SVER Character Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers)
MAG Valor Character Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers)
King Zumo Theme (Free to PlayStation Plus Subscribers) PlayStation “Game Is Just The Start” Dynamic Theme
Super Stardust HD (PlayStation Plus price $5.00, original price $9.99)Super Stardust HD Complete (was – £7.99/€9.99 now – £2.39/€2.99)
Super Stardust HD Team add-on Pack (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)Super Stardust HD Complete (was – £7.99/€9.99 now – £2.39/€2.99)
Super Stardust HD Solo add-on Pack (PlayStation Plus price $2.50, original price $4.99)Super Stardust HD Complete (was – £7.99/€9.99 now – £2.39/€2.99)
Hamsterball (PlayStation Plus price $3.99, original price $9.99)
LittleBigPlanet – Sackboy Avatar (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
MAG Raven Dynamic Theme (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
MAG S.V.E.R. Dynamic Theme (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
MAG Valor Dynamic Theme (Free to PlayStation Plus subscribers)
Resistance Aftermath Multiplayer Map Pack (PlayStation Plus price $3.00, original price $5.99)
Gravity Crash (PlayStation Plus price $5.00, original price $9.99)Gravity Crash – 20%
Kayne and Lynch 2 DemoKayne and Lynch 2 Demo

 

It's a rough approximation. Tomorrow, the EU PS+ service will get Zen Pinball, two minis, Heavy Rain avatar and Medievil tomorrow. Two month's ago, Critter Crunch was reduced to £2.50 in the EU store. I'm glad it's not what we got "free". If I'd wanted it, I'd have spent less than a pint picking it up then.

 

Okay, anyway, quick analysis of this. YES, the US store have got more as we can see above. Most of it is in terms of discounts, but the three MAG themes, Quore and the Sackboy avatar are probably the five items that really stand out as "grrrrrrrr". The rest?

 

Other than the fact the US are a week ahead, there's one other important thing.

 

The US store seems to have severly cut back on "special offers" since the release of PS+. It appears that while in the EU, the special offers are still being offered to ALL PSN users - in the US they're being pushed to PS+ owners.

 

I don't quite know what to make of this? In the US, if you want to save money, you have to pay for PS+. In Europe, we ALL get it.

 

Now, I'm not sure at all if I want to pay for the advantage of being able to get stuff cheap or not. I'd prefer it like it is though. The EU gives discounts that can ONLY be got anywhere in the world through EU PS+. In the States, the discounts are available everywhere else, but to get them in the US, you need PS+. I think that is ripping off the Americans, rather than us.

 

Do the MAG themes and Sackboy avatar make up for this? I don't know, but we also don't know that Sony may not throw them at us tomorrow or in the future anyway. It's Sony IP, so it doesn't cost them anything. Maybe...

 

Qore is the funny one. Future Publishing in the US must have done a deal with Sony over this. I suspect that Qore doesn't make them much money at all. So they have done a deal with Sony to essentially fund it as a nice add-on for PS+ subscribers.

 

FirstPlay over here is still brand new. It's not established yet if the online mag will make money or not. If it's not got a high enough subscription level, Future may pull it all together, or likewise, try and get Sony to fund it using PS+. There will be a limit to the amount of cash in the PS+ accounts though, so we may have to wait 12 months until Sony have guaged the success of EU PS+.

 

There's a lot of detail there, so I'll summarise it.

 

1. The US is one week ahead of us. Some of the content they have listed is there second month's worth.

2. Tomorrow, the EU second month is released and we'll get another lump of PS+ stuff

3. The US PS+ Is better off (in terms of free), by just 5 items.

4. Four of these items could well be given to the EU anyway.

5. In general, an EU region PSN user is now getting better deals than a US PSN User.

6. The US PS+ subscriber is paying to get deals offered to the EU.

7. The regions are different. Different publishers, distributors, contracts, licenses, etc. You have to expect some fluctuation in the offerings.

8. Nobody has been sold less than they ordered.

9. The grass may look greener in the US, but it's not all one way. PSP Go with 10 free games? EU only. If you buy a PSP Go in the US, you get three. I never heard anyone asking for an even playing field there ;)

10. Just for ten points - the B.P. Toy car analogy was simply to say "any time you buy in the EU from a firm that is also in the US, you'll find you pay more, or get less" - it's economies of scale, customer reactions, cost of living, etc, etc, etc.

 

I hope that helps to clear things up a little? I'll do a month two in three week's time so we can get another idea of how much things change.

 

ADDENDUM:

Just realised I missed the 3 MAG avatars, so the US is 8 pieces of "free" content better off than us. Best add this up too.

Avatars - 4 x 20p

Dynamic themes - 3 x £1.50?

Qore - 4 x 70p (First play subscription price)

So in total:

11. Total better off over first month = £8.10

 

And...

 

12. Qore is 100% a benefit the US get over us every month, no denials there :)

 

 

 

 

BTW, I'd much prefer Rally Cross and Syphon Filter to Destruction Derby and Medievil :(

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Nicely done furiekins, many thanks for that :)
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* YLOD? * *PSN Connection Problems?* *Blu Ray Problems

And we weren't even testing for that.. :Thumbs:

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TTDegs wrote:
Nicely done furiekins, many thanks for that :)
yes thanks for comfirming the US is better off !? i just hope it gets better which im sure it will.
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