General Discussion: Sport

[James91]

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Wigster101 wrote:

Also, Rooney upfront on his own just isn't working. It rarely works. I just wish Ferguson would stick two upfront.

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Told you on MSN 1 up front doesn't work Anyway, the two goals City got last night were as a result of bad decisions by the ref. The penalty if anything should've been a free kick outside the box, and the corner City scored from wasn't even a bloody corner Buutttttt... having said that. Shay Given was in top form as always for City, he probably is my top keeper in the PL. United should've snapped him up from Newcastle.

[Mikk]

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James91 wrote:

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Wigster101 wrote:

Also, Rooney upfront on his own just isn't working. It rarely works. I just wish Ferguson would stick two upfront.

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Told you on MSN 1 up front doesn't work Anyway, the two goals City got last night were as a result of bad decisions by the ref. The penalty if anything should've been a free kick outside the box, and the corner City scored from wasn't even a bloody corner Buutttttt... having said that. Shay Given was in top form as always for City, he probably is my top keeper in the PL. United should've snapped him up from Newcastle.

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YES IT BLOODY WAS!

[Wigster101]

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Mikk wrote:

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AcceptedWaInut wrote:

The first Tevez celebration was aimed at chuckle and i don't blame him for the crap he's been spouting about fergie being right not to pay for tevez. The second one was sheer class though

Oh and heres maybe why Tevez gave it the "keep running your mouth" celebration after chuckle's reaction to his first goal.

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Haha, never saw that, what an absolut c**t Gary Chuckle is, hope the FA are looking into that, I also saw that Shrek was shouting something to Tevez when he was running up to take the pen.

Well done Carlos for the celebrations, don't take no s**t off these bunch of idiots.

Why are people saying we won from 2 lucky goals though? OK the penalty we shouldn't have had, but the second WAS a corner. We had just as many chances as you, either team could have had 3 or 4 goals, it's all about taking chances.

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I'm unsure whether it was a corner. And Tevez's fat arse looked to be backing into Van der Sar when the corner came over, this resulted in him unable to get a good enough punch on the ball.

[Wigster101]

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Pieguts77 wrote:

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Wigster101 wrote:

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Pieguts77 wrote:

Owen should have started. United don't look as good with 1 striker as when they play with 2. And when is fergie going to realise that rafael and fabio are useless little *****s. Problem is our squad. The last few years i've been saying our squad wasn't strong enough. Without Vidic and Ferdinand our defence is a joke. Brown needs at least one of them to play with in the center and Evans has gone backwards in terms of ability (don't know if it's confidence but he's losing it). The midfield is packed with ageing or average players and Berbatov is just a lazy *****.

What bugs me about United sometimes is when we go to sleep when we score and it's happened again tonight. Then we wait until the last 15 minutes to wake up again.

This summer Fergie needs to offload some crap (Rafael, Fabio, Anderson, Fletcher) and get some talent in.

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Keep up your glory hunting. Tw@t. You have no idea. Go support City. You're like those mindless fools on the official United forum.

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Why don't you think or ask before running your mouth off. Firstly i've supported United since 84, got my first shirt in 88 (which I still have) and still have all the old memoribilia I used to collect when I was younger so a glory hunter I am not. Secondly I am not your typical red spectacle wearing "nothing is wrong" United supporter. Lets look at what I said shall we:

I said Owen should have started. United don't look as good with 1 striker as when they play with 2. Your last post says "Also, Rooney upfront on his own just isn't working. It rarely works. I just wish Ferguson would stick two upfront." so here we are on the same wavelength, United work better with 2 strikers.

Without Ferdinand and Vidic our defense is a joke. Brown and Evans definately need one of these to play with at center back as they can't lead the defense themselves. The second goal last night was due to their follow the ball marking. They give each other no confidence or direction. Vidic and Ferdinand look and act like leaders and marshall defenses very well.

Rafael and and Fabio are not good enough to wear Man United shirts at present. They don't like tackles where you got to get stuck in and give the ball away too much. If they are the future then they need to improve drastically or we're screwed.

The midfield is packed with average or ageing players. Anderson is average, fletcher is average, nani is average. How much longer can Giggs and Scholes (both legends) go on? They don't play regularly now and we have no-one good enough to replace them at present. Carrick is good but I think his performances are dipping in form as he has no-one consistantly in the side to play with and it's probably affecting his confidence as it would anyone else in that situation. Hargreaves is an excellent player but unfortuantely he is injured all the time. Parks best days are behind him now. Valencia seams to have settled now, provides good crosses and makes good runs and I think he's going to be a key player for us. Considering the boots he had to fill in that position.

And Berbatov has always had the potential to be such a great player, but just as spurs found out he is lazy. If he worked anywhere near as hard as Rooney or the likes of Tevez he'd probably be top scorer in the prem.

I'll support United until I die but I want to see players with commitment in their play. When Rooney plays you can see what it means to him, same with Vidic, Ferdinand, Van der sar, Scholes, Neville. I don't see it with Anderson, Berbatov, Nani, Rafael or Fabio.

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Fletcher average? What the heck do you watch?

And because i disagree with all the players you listed as average, I shall just say. Berbatov didn't play. And we lost. I think you should check the games he doesn't play in. Because, Rooney is constantly classed as United's best player but i'm beginning to wonder whether it is.

[Pieguts77]

Wigster101 wrote:

Fletcher average? What the heck do you watch?

And because i disagree with all the players you listed as average, I shall just say. Berbatov didn't play. And we lost. I think you should check the games he doesn't play in. Because, Rooney is constantly classed as United's best player but i'm beginning to wonder whether it is.

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I've deleted the rest of the quotes as it's getting long due to the length of my previous 2 posts

Maybe I should explain average in my world. I'm judging him as a Man United player not as an overall footballer. This may seam harsh to some people but when you look at the quality midfielders we have had over the last decade he doesn't compare to them. Yes he has good games but the average games he plays outweigh the good. I'm not a fan of Fletcher

And like I said, Berbatov has the ability to be one of the premierships best strikers but his workrate isn't good. I agree with you on your Rooney comment but even when Rooney doesn't play well he still works hard. I know Tevez isn't going to be loved by our fans now but you've got to admit his workrate is excellent. In my opinion if Berbatov worked that hard he'd be top scorer. He has brilliant touch control of the ball and provides lovely passes, I just wish he'd look like he wanted it more.

Lets just hope we can turn this tie around at OT.

[Wigster101]

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Pieguts77 wrote:

Wigster101 wrote:

Fletcher average? What the heck do you watch?

And because i disagree with all the players you listed as average, I shall just say. Berbatov didn't play. And we lost. I think you should check the games he doesn't play in. Because, Rooney is constantly classed as United's best player but i'm beginning to wonder whether it is.

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I've deleted the rest of the quotes as it's getting long due to the length of my previous 2 posts

Maybe I should explain average in my world. I'm judging him as a Man United player not as an overall footballer. This may seam harsh to some people but when you look at the quality midfielders we have had over the last decade he doesn't compare to them. Yes he has good games but the average games he plays outweigh the good. I'm not a fan of Fletcher

And like I said, Berbatov has the ability to be one of the premierships best strikers but his workrate isn't good. I agree with you on your Rooney comment but even when Rooney doesn't play well he still works hard. I know Tevez isn't going to be loved by our fans now but you've got to admit his workrate is excellent. In my opinion if Berbatov worked that hard he'd be top scorer. He has brilliant touch control of the ball and provides lovely passes, I just wish he'd look like he wanted it more.

Lets just hope we can turn this tie around at OT.

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Sir Alex is a fantastic manager but, I find it stupid how Berbatov is made to drop deep to accomodate Rooney being the main front man. He didn't need work rate at Spurs, but he banged in goals. Why? Because he played as an out-and-out striker. At United, he never is played as the main man.

Also, I totally agree with your Park comment. To be honest, I don't even think he had anything to be called past it if you understand.

Fletcher, I rate alot. I think he's our best central midfielder, that is fit. If all were fit, it'd be Hargreaves.

Regarding Tevez's work-rate. All he does is run like a headless chicken. I can't remember a time when its resulted in anything. Rooney's work rate is much more successful than Tevez's. It results in more.

About turing the tie around, hope we can. But, i'm not sure what team Ferguson will field. With a big game next Sunday against Arsenal, it'll be interesting.

[Gawge]

It wasn't a penalty, but we needed a slow motion replay from a couple of angles to work that out. At first glance, I have to say I thought it was a penalty and i'm sure most other people did. Fair enough, it was just outside the area after seeing some slow motion replays but the referee has to judge it there and then.

I suppose with all the decisions that United always get, even when the ref has a fair game it looks grossly in the other teams favour

[AcceptedWaInut]

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Wigster101 wrote:

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Regarding Tevez's work-rate. All he does is run like a headless chicken. I can't remember a time when its resulted in anything. Rooney's work rate is much more successful than Tevez's. It results in more.

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Is this the same work rate that robbed Foster of the ball and then gave it to Barry on a plate at the swamp?

He was also brilliant at closing down last night constantly chasing after Evans/Brown and even Van Der Sar when they had the ball. Anyone can see this causes rushed passes/clearances which most times ends up with us having the ball or a throw-in.

Put that into contrast with Benjani when our backs were to the wall for the last 10-15 mins, he wasn't chasing anything or anyone which piled on more pressure as the ball could easily be played from the back.

[Wigster101]

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AcceptedWaInut wrote:

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Wigster101 wrote:

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Regarding Tevez's work-rate. All he does is run like a headless chicken. I can't remember a time when its resulted in anything. Rooney's work rate is much more successful than Tevez's. It results in more.

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Is this the same work rate that robbed Foster of the ball and then gave it to Barry on a plate at the swamp?

He was also brilliant at closing down last night constantly chasing after Evans/Brown and even Van Der Sar when they had the ball. Anyone can see this causes rushed passes/clearances which most times ends up with us having the ball or a throw-in.

Put that into contrast with Benjani when our backs were to the wall for the last 10-15 mins, he wasn't chasing anything or anyone which piled on more pressure as the ball could easily be played from the back.

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You got me there, with Foster. Saying that, Stephen Hawking would put the abysmal Flopster under pressure.

[Diddymow]

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Wigster101 wrote:

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AcceptedWaInut wrote:

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Wigster101 wrote:

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Regarding Tevez's work-rate. All he does is run like a headless chicken. I can't remember a time when its resulted in anything. Rooney's work rate is much more successful than Tevez's. It results in more.

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Is this the same work rate that robbed Foster of the ball and then gave it to Barry on a plate at the swamp?

He was also brilliant at closing down last night constantly chasing after Evans/Brown and even Van Der Sar when they had the ball. Anyone can see this causes rushed passes/clearances which most times ends up with us having the ball or a throw-in.

Put that into contrast with Benjani when our backs were to the wall for the last 10-15 mins, he wasn't chasing anything or anyone which piled on more pressure as the ball could easily be played from the back.

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You got me there, with Foster. Saying that, Stephen Hawking would put the abysmal Flopster under pressure.

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You burned me a few months ago for saying that Foster was crap, why have things changed now?

Nev should be fined and the guy who threw the lighter at Evra should be banned for life and the guy who ran on the pitch.

Tevez wasn't amazing last night. He scored a pen and a tap-in (with his head).