30-07-2011 01:11 PM - edited 30-07-2011 01:13 PM
Every panel I've looked at, active or passive... is at best dull/dark, at worst dull/dark with cross-talk. Dissappointed, I thought LCD backlights would solve the cinema's dull footlamp problem. It seems bright, focused 1080p in 3D isn't here yet?
I was gonna update my bravia for Uncharted, BF etc but not in bat-vision!
31-07-2011 11:28 AM - edited 31-07-2011 11:49 AM
I think you're probably looking at low quality sets and stores rarely have them calibrated correctly.
Other than the roughly 30% brightness drop from the glasses there should be no additional darkening of the screen; to compensate a little for that you can also up the brightness a little bit in the 3D mode. Cross-talk and all those artefacts are practically non-existent on higher end sets.
The mutt's nuts of 3D sets is the Panasonic Plasmas such as the VT20/VT30 ranges ranging from 42"-65". They're also the best 2D displays on the market; so you won't lose out in that respect. These are also far more efficient plasmas panels than those of old; all the problems old plasmas got are practically non existent with these.
Upper range Samsung 3D plasmas are also decent as are their high end LED sets.
A clean, tidy 3D experience requires an absolute minimum of about £800 for a 40" set as you go towards 50" that needs to double to around £1600.
As good as Sony are and as much as I like them (I haven't seen an LCD set yet that rivals my calibrated 4yr old Bravia LCD); they're not really doing it for me on the 3D front. Panasonic and Samsung seem to be at the forefront for not only the 3D quality but for the price of it. Panasonic and Samsung while genereally expensive (in terms of 3D), just offer better value.
LED doesn't really off value for money yet. Plasma is where it's at for best picture quality in 2D and 3D. And I'd say avoid Non-LED LCD altogether for 3D.
The Panasonic P42VT20 is around £800 on amazon; it's a 1080p NeoPlasma Display Panel with two pairs of glasses. The only issue with it is a "floating blacks problem". For the average viewer this won't be a great problem but you clearly worry about picture quality quite a bit.
My advice is wait another 18 months till the 3rd/4th gen of 3D TVs are coming out, then you'll probably be able to get this years (2nd gen) Panasonic TXP42VT30 displays for around £800, though up towards the 55" range you'll still see a steep increase over that. And getting anything below 40" for 3D is kinda pointless as 3D requires big screens for maximum impact.
Hwoever, if you by any chance happen to be rolling in it, then TXP50VT30 and the TXP55VT30 are unbeatable; they are the best consumer TVs made today.
3D TVs are still young but they're gonna get better and they're not going to go away as some naysayers would say, the technology required is very little and take little effort by the manufacturers...
HDMI 1.4 will be standard regardless of 2D/3D, the display has to be capable of certain refresh rates (which includes all modern plasmas and most lcds/leds), there 'll be some software in the tele to do the 3D and that's about it. Eventually all these things will be standard anyway so 3D will cost next to nothing for manufacturers and tbh, doesn't cost them that much at the moment. The only extra is 3D glasses which 'll be half the price in a few years and even cheaper if other glasses technology is adopted.
In 5 yrs more than half, possibly even more than two thirds of 32"+ sets will be capable of 3D because it will be practically free to implement. It will simply be an optional mode on almost all TVs, still with no detrimental effect on 2D for those who like just that...with higher end sets including glasses and cheaper sets having glasses optional. Atm, manufacturers are riding the 3D wave to rake in the money, but eventually, it'll cost us next to nothing extra with exception to the glasses which in themselves will be much better and cheaper.
Eventually there'll be no need for glasses, though it is a while away. Holographic 3D TV seems the most likely candidate; not actual holograms like in-the-room-characters hologram (that would serve little purpose for movies), but simply glasses-free 3D TV utilising holographic technology by using a camera to track the eyes of viewers and then creating interference patterns for each viewer. This shows you the basic idea: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux6aD6vE9sk&t=1m0s
31-07-2011 01:22 PM - edited 31-07-2011 01:24 PM
I've had horrible experience with Samsung hardware and even worse with their customer support, so I'm just inclined to avoid them. I'm also sceptical about Plasma through fear of burn in with all the gaming I do. I intend to buy one in the Autumn with budget about 1500-1600. I dunno whether I'll bother, its a pity nobody is demo'ing something worth a damn. Currys and Sony centres are laughable. You go in willing to spend an arm and a leg and are presented with dudebro spacers.
on 01-08-2011 01:06 AM
I'd definitely advise for plasma, the displays response is extremely beneficial to 3D (as long as you wack the gamma up a bit for it) and gaming. I haven't heard a single report of burn in from the VT30 range; and if it does occur it would be slight and temporary. The NeoPDP's are far more efficient and the current plasmas are the best technology we have till OLED comes out.
There is no better display for all round quality and versatility than the Panasonic TXP50VT30; and come autumn it'll probs fit into your budget nicely with 2 pairs of glasses, I'd also say get a blu ray calibration disc to do a basic calibration.
And even if 3D turns out not to be for you even at its current best, you'd still have the best 2D tele on the market and no money wasted really.
I've seen a calibrated TXP55VT30 running in 3D with a minor birghtness increase, demoing Avatar and Super Stardust HD. Never have I seen anything look so good.
...I think I should apply for a job as a panasonic salesman..
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