PatC_PSN wrote:
Warren_Jeeves wrote:
Two debates going on here, Sam is sitting on the fence on one and some guy comes in after eating magic mushrooms starts up the other.
Sitting on the fence can be good. Or it can be bad. I don't have an opinion either way, I'm just saying those are the two main possibilities.
I'm cunfuddled, I think the dude force fed me some of his breakfast mushrooms.
I just saw the cat fall off the fence.
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The_Yeti_ wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:Honey Buzzard - Native bird of prey (UK). 33,000-41,000 breeding pairs.
Common Pheasant - Non-native game bird (Georgia). 1,800,000-1,900,000 breeding females.
The Tory controlled Defra are looking to cull Buzzards by shooting and destroying nest sites because the nasty over populated buzzards are ruining the upper-middle and upper class fun of shooting Pheasant.
I dont mean to be picky but there are 31,000-44,000 breeding pairs of the Common Buzzard.
Honey Buzzards are infact quite rare and its thought that there are only 30-70 breeding pairs in the UK.
I think DEFRA would be better putting that £400,000 in helping to protect our dwindling list of native species rather than non native species and protecting the interests of large shooting estates.
Good spot on the breeding, but the Honey Buzzard was not introduced by Humans. It's numbers have been decimated but it is indigenous to the United Kingdom. The Honey Buzzard is native. Besides, it is the Common Buzzard they are looking to decimate, not the Honey Buzzard which they are trying to conserve because we have done enough damage there already.
I fully agree with what you think DEFRA should prioritise though. Shooting estates shouldn't be a priority on any government funded list expect that which prosecutes such people who would harm the native wild animals that may or may not be percieved a threat to their blood sport.
Personally I think alot more money should be made available to helping our native wildlife, even to the point of reintroducing wolves into the most remote area's of the highlands. I am not too sure how far we have got with gene manipulation, but I know we have DNA stored from our extinct native species and that is a very close to those in Scandanavia and Central Europe so perhaps the lab can do something. The funding should compensate any farmers that might lose livestock but alot of that area is completely untamed and cannot be farmed so it should be fine.
I think the Beavers being reintroduced has been a success, transforming their immediate environments and in turn all other native species of wildlife have rushed in to set up home again. So getting the wolves and dear back in the remote Highlands could have a good effect, dear contrary to popular belief are amazing forest managers. They may destroy the smaller saplings but the clear so much room in regard to the fully grown tree's that more saplings than ever can take hold, too much for dears to eat. Margam Park has to periodically cut back their forests because it enchroaches on to housing estates 
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ProjectVRD wrote:
The_Yeti_ wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:Honey Buzzard - Native bird of prey (UK). 33,000-41,000 breeding pairs.
Common Pheasant - Non-native game bird (Georgia). 1,800,000-1,900,000 breeding females.
The Tory controlled Defra are looking to cull Buzzards by shooting and destroying nest sites because the nasty over populated buzzards are ruining the upper-middle and upper class fun of shooting Pheasant.
I dont mean to be picky but there are 31,000-44,000 breeding pairs of the Common Buzzard.
Honey Buzzards are infact quite rare and its thought that there are only 30-70 breeding pairs in the UK.
I think DEFRA would be better putting that £400,000 in helping to protect our dwindling list of native species rather than non native species and protecting the interests of large shooting estates.
Good spot on the breeding, but the Honey Buzzard was not introduced by Humans. It's numbers have been decimated but it is indigenous to the United Kingdom. The Honey Buzzard is native. Besides, it is the Common Buzzard they are looking to decimate, not the Honey Buzzard which they are trying to conserve because we have done enough damage there already.
I fully agree with what you think DEFRA should prioritise though. Shooting estates shouldn't be a priority on any government funded list expect that which prosecutes such people who would harm the native wild animals that may or may not be percieved a threat to their blood sport.
Personally I think alot more money should be made available to helping our native wildlife, even to the point of reintroducing wolves into the most remote area's of the highlands. I am not too sure how far we have got with gene manipulation, but I know we have DNA stored from our extinct native species and that is a very close to those in Scandanavia and Central Europe so perhaps the lab can do something. The funding should compensate any farmers that might lose livestock but alot of that area is completely untamed and cannot be farmed so it should be fine.
I think the Beavers being reintroduced has been a success, transforming their immediate environments and in turn all other native species of wildlife have rushed in to set up home again. So getting the wolves and dear back in the remote Highlands could have a good effect, dear contrary to popular belief are amazing forest managers. They may destroy the smaller saplings but the clear so much room in regard to the fully grown tree's that more saplings than ever can take hold, too much for dears to eat. Margam Park has to periodically cut back their forests because it enchroaches on to housing estates
I worded that badly, I didnt mean the Honey Buzzards were the non natives, I was referring to the Pheasants lol
You make some good points there, get on the phone to DEFRA!
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