General Discussion

[ProjectVRD]

PISA. A relatively new way to measure the performance of an education system deployed in a single nation compared directly to that of other nations. It is a no holds barred way to see whose education system is working the best, and gives no advantage to any caste, or status of a single nation. Poor nations are not advantaged, wealthy nations are not discriminated against.

China. They apparently annihilated all other nations with their score. Being commies, they are refusing to allow the organisation that conducts the tests to publish them and that is probably because China wants to keep it's education system a bit of a secret, but even the poor areas of rural China are outperforming the best area's of USA and Europe.

How long do you think it will be before America starts making counterfeit products that China invented?

[englishgolfer]

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ProjectVRD wrote:

How long do you think it will be before America starts making counterfeit products that China invented?

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that peking duck i had last night from the local chinese seemed definite counterfeit if you ask me...

[InfiniteStates]

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PISA wrote:

Are students well prepared for future challenges? Can they analyse, reason and communicate effectively? Do they have the capacity to continue learning throughout life? The OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) answers these questions and more, through its surveys of 15-year-olds in the principal industrialised countries. Every three years, it assesses to what extent students near the end of compulsory education have acquired some of the knowledge and skills essential for full participation in society.

I'd be more interested in the contents of their survey and how they determine what skills are "essential for full participation in society". And exactly how balanced for the social differences across all participating nations their survey or surveys are, before believing any results they produce.

[ProjectVRD]

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InfiniteStates wrote:

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PISA wrote:

Are students well prepared for future challenges? Can they analyse, reason and communicate effectively? Do they have the capacity to continue learning throughout life? The OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) answers these questions and more, through its surveys of 15-year-olds in the principal industrialised countries. Every three years, it assesses to what extent students near the end of compulsory education have acquired some of the knowledge and skills essential for full participation in society.

I'd be more interested in the contents of their survey and how they determine what skills are "essential for full participation in society". And exactly how balanced for the social differences across all participating nations their survey or surveys are, before believing any results they produce.

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Well for a start it would be believable since in China everybody has access to University whereas in America that is determined almost purely on

a) how much money you have and;

b) how far you can throw an odd shaped ball.

[InfiniteStates]

True - but they take their cross-section at 15, which is before university age in most countries.

[Chuk_Chuk]

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InfiniteStates wrote:

True - but they take their cross-section at 15, which is before university age in most countries.

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what is a cross-section in the context that you are using it?

[ProjectVRD]

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Chuk_Chuk wrote:

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InfiniteStates wrote:

True - but they take their cross-section at 15, which is before university age in most countries.

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what is a cross-section in the context that you are using it?

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It's China in this case, so they probably use a sharp knife and cut downwards through the middle to see how big the brain is.

[InfiniteStates]

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Chuk_Chuk wrote:

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InfiniteStates wrote:

True - but they take their cross-section at 15, which is before university age in most countries.

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what is a cross-section in the context that you are using it?

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InfiniteStates wrote:

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PISA wrote:

Are students well prepared for future challenges? Can they analyse, reason and communicate effectively? Do they have the capacity to continue learning throughout life? The OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) answers these questions and more, through its surveys of 15-year-olds in the principal industrialised countries. Every three years, it assesses to what extent students near the end of compulsory education have acquired some of the knowledge and skills essential for full participation in society.

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^ That

[fenian]

We are not American we can all go to Uni if we want.

If Chinas education system was so good, why did they do a deal with queens university belfast for Queens to do a research lab with them?

Why do they go begging to universites across europe and America for us to show them how its done?

Cause at the end of the day, when someone comes out of a university in europe they come out innovative minds.

Thats not happening in china, they still have to steal and buy all their ideas from us, and their middle class is getting so big that they will start to become uncompettive as europe strives to cut costs and become more competitive.

China is probably in the most trouble it has ever been, the way money is being cut in europe means innovation is going to boom in cost saving, we will start using less electricity, we will become more efficient, we will waste less.

Why else would they be so willing to try strike up deals with countries like Ireland?

[Chuk_Chuk]

okay.