ProjectVRD wrote:
WRAITH07 wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:Humans will not be around in 50 million years, atleast not in a bioligical sense. We will likely achieve the singularity between the next 35-3000 years time regardless of what wars occur, wars do infact accelerate technological advancement even during devastation... Ukraine being a good example. Completely bombarded to a rediculous extent and then oppressed but they still advanced on their own accord as a result.
So, with the Singularity being likely we will before 50 million years time not require biological vessels. We will in all probability become a part of that singularity instead of being simply the creators of it, tranferring our conciousness into machines that we cannot even imagine yet. Machines that do not themselves have describeable physical form as we understand through modern physics. It unlikely we will be visible in the what deem now to be visible part of the light spectrum, we may not even be a part of the entire light spectrum. In essence, we could look like this:
Yup, completely invisible.
You could have just said "we won't exist"
But in the current context of the topic, in that we will associate our descendants in 50 million years time to being humans for arguments sake, we will exist. Just in a way that we are left to only describe as deities.
The human race, like all advanced intelligent species across the cosmos that achieve singularity, are destined to fit the descripion of God/Allah/insert other deity here. We will become the entity that we worship... kinda puts a new area of thought into the question of "Does God exist?" Perhaps "he" did... just not exactly in a way that we expected. It is logical for a product of a/our singularity to appear as a voice in the sky to tell us these things at such a point in our development. It helps steer us on to our path. I know... paradox and all... Quantumn Physics is already throwing up Paradox scenarios which then get explained because we just managed to understand the world wrong before we saw that so called paradox.
It is entirely possible we can steer our own past in a certain a direction, if you just accept that we don't know as much about the way the universe works as we think we do. And we have learnt that many, many times over the last 10 years let alone our entire history. Don't bet against the truly crazy things actually being true, because the crazy things are often the correct ones, Okhams Razor and all. The craziest things are often the simplest things and there is one thing the universe loves doing, making things happen in a simple way, it hates complexity.
Take a bubble as an example, at first sight it is a truly complex structure. Potentially it is perfectly spherical and it's surface is smoother that anything human technology can even hope to achieve today in 2012, for us this seems a massive achievement from physics as we understood it back in the 1990's. Then we learnt that it wasn't complex at all, it is in fact the simplest way for a bubble to exist, the universe making the surface smoother than anything we have ever created was the easiest way to keep a bubble stable. It was a crazy notion that a bubble was a simple design, as a scientist you would have been laughed out of the physics field for even suggesting it back in the days when we have tape recorders in every house. Your reputation would have been in tatters, now we have other technology and understanding that made a fool of every physicist that had ever lived before that point of discovery.
hmmm sounds awesome. it's all good and well but the main question is: Time machines; will we have them?
WRAITH07 wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:
WRAITH07 wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:Humans will not be around in 50 million years, atleast not in a bioligical sense. We will likely achieve the singularity between the next 35-3000 years time regardless of what wars occur, wars do infact accelerate technological advancement even during devastation... Ukraine being a good example. Completely bombarded to a rediculous extent and then oppressed but they still advanced on their own accord as a result.
So, with the Singularity being likely we will before 50 million years time not require biological vessels. We will in all probability become a part of that singularity instead of being simply the creators of it, tranferring our conciousness into machines that we cannot even imagine yet. Machines that do not themselves have describeable physical form as we understand through modern physics. It unlikely we will be visible in the what deem now to be visible part of the light spectrum, we may not even be a part of the entire light spectrum. In essence, we could look like this:
Yup, completely invisible.
You could have just said "we won't exist"
But in the current context of the topic, in that we will associate our descendants in 50 million years time to being humans for arguments sake, we will exist. Just in a way that we are left to only describe as deities.
The human race, like all advanced intelligent species across the cosmos that achieve singularity, are destined to fit the descripion of God/Allah/insert other deity here. We will become the entity that we worship... kinda puts a new area of thought into the question of "Does God exist?" Perhaps "he" did... just not exactly in a way that we expected. It is logical for a product of a/our singularity to appear as a voice in the sky to tell us these things at such a point in our development. It helps steer us on to our path. I know... paradox and all... Quantumn Physics is already throwing up Paradox scenarios which then get explained because we just managed to understand the world wrong before we saw that so called paradox.
It is entirely possible we can steer our own past in a certain a direction, if you just accept that we don't know as much about the way the universe works as we think we do. And we have learnt that many, many times over the last 10 years let alone our entire history. Don't bet against the truly crazy things actually being true, because the crazy things are often the correct ones, Okhams Razor and all. The craziest things are often the simplest things and there is one thing the universe loves doing, making things happen in a simple way, it hates complexity.
Take a bubble as an example, at first sight it is a truly complex structure. Potentially it is perfectly spherical and it's surface is smoother that anything human technology can even hope to achieve today in 2012, for us this seems a massive achievement from physics as we understood it back in the 1990's. Then we learnt that it wasn't complex at all, it is in fact the simplest way for a bubble to exist, the universe making the surface smoother than anything we have ever created was the easiest way to keep a bubble stable. It was a crazy notion that a bubble was a simple design, as a scientist you would have been laughed out of the physics field for even suggesting it back in the days when we have tape recorders in every house. Your reputation would have been in tatters, now we have other technology and understanding that made a fool of every physicist that had ever lived before that point of discovery.
hmmm sounds awesome. it's all good and well but the main question is: Time machines; will we have them?
It will unlikely be a time machine, just like it is theorized the Higgs Boson could possibly prevent it's own discovery in the past. In that example the Higgs Boson particle wouldn't be using a machine, it would be exploiting physical properties we as of yet have no understanding.
It's all been discussed by the brightest minds our species have produced to date in exercises they call Thought Expirements. Einstein and Co. would meet up and have them regularly and this was one of them he himself at first refused to believe but after he was proved wrong about the existence of Quantumn Physics he then conceded that it could be possible, only that nobody who attended these meetings could explain how. This wasn't traveliing through time in the sense that we slow down the faster we go, but instead that we can move from place to place in time with no pyhical speed at all, even into the future
So given the verifiable fact that we are constantly proving our understanding of the universe to be completely wrong, I propose that humans will not be biological in 50 million years time. 
ProjectVRD wrote:
WRAITH07 wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:
WRAITH07 wrote:
ProjectVRD wrote:Humans will not be around in 50 million years, atleast not in a bioligical sense. We will likely achieve the singularity between the next 35-3000 years time regardless of what wars occur, wars do infact accelerate technological advancement even during devastation... Ukraine being a good example. Completely bombarded to a rediculous extent and then oppressed but they still advanced on their own accord as a result.
So, with the Singularity being likely we will before 50 million years time not require biological vessels. We will in all probability become a part of that singularity instead of being simply the creators of it, tranferring our conciousness into machines that we cannot even imagine yet. Machines that do not themselves have describeable physical form as we understand through modern physics. It unlikely we will be visible in the what deem now to be visible part of the light spectrum, we may not even be a part of the entire light spectrum. In essence, we could look like this:
Yup, completely invisible.
You could have just said "we won't exist"
But in the current context of the topic, in that we will associate our descendants in 50 million years time to being humans for arguments sake, we will exist. Just in a way that we are left to only describe as deities.
The human race, like all advanced intelligent species across the cosmos that achieve singularity, are destined to fit the descripion of God/Allah/insert other deity here. We will become the entity that we worship... kinda puts a new area of thought into the question of "Does God exist?" Perhaps "he" did... just not exactly in a way that we expected. It is logical for a product of a/our singularity to appear as a voice in the sky to tell us these things at such a point in our development. It helps steer us on to our path. I know... paradox and all... Quantumn Physics is already throwing up Paradox scenarios which then get explained because we just managed to understand the world wrong before we saw that so called paradox.
It is entirely possible we can steer our own past in a certain a direction, if you just accept that we don't know as much about the way the universe works as we think we do. And we have learnt that many, many times over the last 10 years let alone our entire history. Don't bet against the truly crazy things actually being true, because the crazy things are often the correct ones, Okhams Razor and all. The craziest things are often the simplest things and there is one thing the universe loves doing, making things happen in a simple way, it hates complexity.
Take a bubble as an example, at first sight it is a truly complex structure. Potentially it is perfectly spherical and it's surface is smoother that anything human technology can even hope to achieve today in 2012, for us this seems a massive achievement from physics as we understood it back in the 1990's. Then we learnt that it wasn't complex at all, it is in fact the simplest way for a bubble to exist, the universe making the surface smoother than anything we have ever created was the easiest way to keep a bubble stable. It was a crazy notion that a bubble was a simple design, as a scientist you would have been laughed out of the physics field for even suggesting it back in the days when we have tape recorders in every house. Your reputation would have been in tatters, now we have other technology and understanding that made a fool of every physicist that had ever lived before that point of discovery.
hmmm sounds awesome. it's all good and well but the main question is: Time machines; will we have them?
It will unlikely be a time machine, just like it is theorized the Higgs Boson could possibly prevent it's own discovery in the past. In that example the Higgs Boson particle wouldn't be using a machine, it would be exploiting physical properties we as of yet have no understanding.
It's all been discussed by the brightest minds our species have produced to date in exercises they call Thought Expirements. Einstein and Co. would meet up and have them regularly and this was one of them he himself at first refused to believe but after he was proved wrong about the existence of Quantumn Physics he then conceded that it could be possible, only that nobody who attended these meetings could explain how. This wasn't traveliing through time in the sense that we slow down the faster we go, but instead that we can move from place to place in time with no pyhical speed at all, even into the future
So given the verifiable fact that we are constantly proving our understanding of the universe to be completely wrong, I propose that humans will not be biological in 50 million years time.
Oh noes, do we have a case of the spiritual thinking miscontruing quantum and or string theory to make sense of an argument that in fact makes no sense unless we first accept the flawed and unproven notion that human beings are any higher in the spiritual food chain than any other animal on Earth?
And then trying to get away with some mumbo jumbo that makes it sound like it's possible to use 'Spooky Action' to somehow travel the distance inbetween? Please tell me next that nothing moves faster than the speed of thought.
If anything we re so far removed from the natural order of things that we'll end up desperately clinging to technology as our pets float away.
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