General Discussion

[Mike939]

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LordRoss wrote:

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xElfenLied_US wrote:
Why? It's happened before, so you can't rule it out I don't live in a city where terrorists are likely to attack, so I'm just fine here.

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It's ok to come out of your bubble every now and again. 

Millions of people survive the "dangerous" London every day.   The chances of terrorists attacking where you live (wherever that be) maybe less than London but I'm guessing that's because there is less enjoyable stuff to do there, thus less people.

Don't be afraid of London.  Embrace it, enjoy it. 

Although if you do come to London and die, don't blame me lol.

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I don't beleive that for a second. I've seen harry brown

[hydra25]

London is overrated.

Plus it's far too close to Shane, and I don't want to run the risk of meeting him.

[xElfenLied_US]

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LordRoss wrote:

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xElfenLied_US wrote:
Why? It's happened before, so you can't rule it out I don't live in a city where terrorists are likely to attack, so I'm just fine here.

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It's ok to come out of your bubble every now and again. 

Millions of people survive the "dangerous" London every day.   The chances of terrorists attacking where you live (wherever that be) maybe less than London but I'm guessing that's because there is less enjoyable stuff to do there, thus less people.

Don't be afraid of London.  Embrace it, enjoy it. 

Although if you do come to London and die, don't blame me lol.

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I do go to London you know, I just wouldn't risk it at such a huge event

Build your bomb hut while you've still got all your limbs!

[shanethegooner]

London > Rest of the UK.

You're all jealous. 

[InfiniteStates]

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PatC_PSN wrote:

Anyway, the answer is none. If people slow down suddenly because they see a speed camera and that causes an accident, then the cause was one or both of the drivers. Not the speed camera. Speed cameras cause nothing except compliance with speed limits, albeit temporarily.

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Is this another of your esoteric, pseudo-philosophical arguments again, like PSN not being free...? "If people slow down suddenly because they see a speed camera", the speed camera was the cause, hinted at by the use of the word "because".

Maybe you could take it into the existential plane and argue that it wasn't the intention of the camera to cause an accident, but by mere virtue of the existential instancing of a camera, an accident occured...?

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fenian wrote:

They need to try find a balance maybe hang street signs out of wires too and design them to be more clearly understood.

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Banning M&S from road-side advertising would go a long way towards preventing accidents I reckon...

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LordRoss wrote:

Plus you shouldn't be so paranoid about coming to London in the Olympics.  Enjoy yourself and stop being put off my the fear mongering channels and programs.

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Just don't try using trains, undergrounds, buses, taxis, cars or bikes. And walking might be difficult in the wrong areas. Helicopters and personal jet packs highly recommended...

[xElfenLied_US]

You're best off like, either hiring a car (if you can drive but haven't got a car), or getting a mate to give you a lift round or something.

[PatC_PSN]

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InfiniteStates wrote:

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PatC_PSN wrote:

Anyway, the answer is none. If people slow down suddenly because they see a speed camera and that causes an accident, then the cause was one or both of the drivers. Not the speed camera. Speed cameras cause nothing except compliance with speed limits, albeit temporarily.

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Is this another of your esoteric, pseudo-philosophical arguments again, like PSN not being free...? "If people slow down suddenly because they see a speed camera", the speed camera was the cause, hinted at by the use of the word "because".

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It is a similar matter of interpretation yes, and I guess we will have to agree to differ for that reason.

I'd say that if someone has to slow down suddenly (and only a sudden change of speed is likely to ever cause an accident) then the underlying root cause of that accident is that they were going too fast in the first place. Likewise for any car following if they then drive into the back of them. If they weren't driving too fast they they wouldn't have slowed down, and the speed camera would have made no difference.

I suspect we could agree that nothing could singularly cause anything else to happen just by being there, and that the issue here is the action of the driver on seeing the speed camera. And of course the sudden braking would be a reaction to seeing the camera - but only if the driver was going too fast in the first place.

[fenian]

Why do they put phone boxes at the kerb?

[Kermit1970]

They're for drunks to hold on to because the kerb is to high to negotiate without assistance

[InfiniteStates]

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PatC_PSN wrote:

I'd say that if someone has to slow down suddenly (and only a sudden change of speed is likely to ever cause an accident) then the underlying root cause of that accident is that they were going too fast in the first place. Likewise for any car following if they then drive into the back of them. If they weren't driving too fast they they wouldn't have slowed down, and the speed camera would have made no difference.

I suspect we could agree that nothing could singularly cause anything else to happen just by being there, and that the issue here is the action of the driver on seeing the speed camera. And of course the sudden braking would be a reaction to seeing the camera - but only if the driver was going too fast in the first place.

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Driving too fast isn't the cause though.

The cause is the change in predictable behaviour of the first driver caused by the presence of the camera, coupled with a second driver being either too close and/or not paying attention. Had the camera not been there, the driver would have continued with their oblivious tailgater without incident. Admittedly it is not the sole cause in and of itself, but it is the ignition to other circumstances and can't be categorically ruled out as a cause.

And some people panic and brake when they see a camera, even if they are doing the speed limit. Or maybe they can't remember what the limit is. And some people brake even when the camera is pointing the other way because, well, just to exemplify the high calibre of driver we have on our roads I suspect.