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[emw80]

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dannyjt wrote:

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emw80 wrote:

As for that rig you linked too.... Nah mate..avoid.

I cannot see the price on that item, but i would imagine as most shops do, they try to beat the customers with the Intel rhythm stick and want way over £1000 LOL... no need for it.

Oh look i5 or i7 then the rest is meh, and you find you need faster ram etc.

So anyway.. They've put a 7770 in with low clocked memory 1333Mhz LOL, plus the card is only a 1GB.

Do you want ultra on everything or all of the things which matter in your games?

I'd scrap the i5 (all intel parts TBH) and go for a: 

Crosshair V mobo ~£170,

Bulldozer 4170 Quad Core @4.20Ghz ~£115

Corsair 16GB memory clocked @2133Mhz ~£170 (this is QUAD CHANNEL BTW!!!)

As for the processor, that one i mentioned above is all you really need unless you're the type who has multiple browsers opened accross 3 screens with 30+ tabs open in each using photoshop on one screen while playing BF3 on ultra on another and watching a film on the other  LOL,, (you'd also need the memory to be clocked much higher for that, and lots of it too), but my point is unless you're heavily multitasking (or OTT multitasking), then there simply is no need.

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I'm curious, why do say the processor is 'All he will need,'  then reccomend 16Gb of memory clocked at a high speed, whereas 8GB at 1600Mhz would suffice and come in at less than half the price?

Also the motherboard, why one priced around £170, unless he wants something with all the bells and whistles and better support for overclocking and a multiple GPU set-up, then surely he could go for a cheaper mobo?

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Yeah, that's all you'd need is a processor with those specs, it certainly beats splashing out extra for the brand name even though it will be clocked at a lower speed like the i5 in that shop, in fact that i5 was MUCH slower than the one i suggested.

As for the mobo,, @£170 for the Corsshair V,  thats awesome considering what the postential is and you're set for quite a while with that too. I honestly don't consider that to be that much for such a bit of kit.

Plus why get a mobo that "just does the job for now", when in future as games evolve so does your kit have too, the board i suggested will future proof quite a bit and leave PLENTY of room to make small upgrades over time if he needs too, and there shouldn't come a time in the next 5yrs where that board won't cut it with new kit.

You can get quite a few 990's like the Crosshair V, the sabertooth for example which is a little cheaper, but why mumble over a few dollars more?

As for the memory... THAT PRICE for THAT SPEED ON QUAD CHANNEL PERFORMANCE = BARGIN.

[Chuk_Chuk]

You do realise that there is very little benefit to faster RAM for gaming compared with the price. I believe I saw that the maximum increase when gaming was something like 3 FPS, and the real benefit came if you left your computer on doing intensive task for at least 5 days straight. Also bulldozer only supports DDR3 1600 for quad channel.
The motherboard would become obsolete the minute he wanted a new CPU along with any new feature.

[emw80]

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Chuk_Chuk wrote:

You do realise that there is very little benefit to faster RAM for gaming compared with the price. I believe I saw that the maximum increase when gaming was something like 3 FPS, and the real benefit came if you left your computer on doing intensive task for at least 5 days straight. Also bulldozer only supports DDR3 1600 for quad channel.
The motherboard would become obsolete the minute he wanted a new CPU along with any new feature.

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How is there "very little benefit" with faster ram for gaming?,, I know that games dont use the whole lot up of course, but you have so many backround processes going on at anytime, and if you have a chat channel open or Skype which uses a GUI then while you're gaming in addition to all those backround processes - then sure the faster ram and more of it helps out heaps.

AM3+ socket board like the 990FX (Crosshair V) takes the bulldozer processors as they ARE AM3+, but that doesnt mean it only takes AM3+. As for the board becoming obsolete the minute he wanted a new CPU,, how so?, considering there isn't  going to be such an upgrade anytime soon which would make the board obsolete.

You can take out one processor and replace it with another, even if it's a leeser or newer chip, as long as its either another  AM3+ or any of the AM3's, or any other chips they are compatable with.

BTW, I didnt know bulldozer only supported 1600Mhz for quad channel memory,, I'll have to look into that one, it doesn't souund right, interesting tho.

[Chuk_Chuk]

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emw80 wrote:

How is there "very little benefit" with faster ram for gaming?,, I know that games dont use the whole lot up of course, but you have so many backround processes going on at anytime, and if you have a chat channel open or Skype which uses a GUI then while you're gaming in addition to all those backround processes - then sure the faster ram and more of it helps out heaps.

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However the performance increase vs price makes it pointless to buy higher speed ram. Espically when we are only talking about a fraction of a second speed increase. Also memory timing is more important than memory speed.

Also if you are gaming i'm guessing you have a dedicated graphics card in which case wouldn't the GUI of skype be held in the memory of the graphics card?

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emw80 wrote:

AM3+ socket board like the 990FX (Crosshair V) takes the bulldozer processors as they ARE AM3+, but that doesnt mean it only takes AM3+. As for the board becoming obsolete the minute he wanted a new CPU,, how so?, considering there isn't  going to be such an upgrade anytime soon which would make the board obsolete.

You can take out one processor and replace it with another, even if it's a leeser or newer chip, as long as its either another  AM3+ or any of the AM3's, or any other chips they are compatable with.

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I am fully aware of this however you completly missed out where I said

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Chuk_Chuk wrote:

The motherboard would become obsolete the minute he wanted a new CPU along with any new feature.

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Sure an older board may take the new CPU however, you can't beneift from some of the new features that are implemented in the new CPUs as there is a limit to how much you can put into an update. Such as power saving modes, new communication methods between the CPU and other components in the system, possible speed increases in new manufacturing methods for the sockets etc.

[LordRoss]

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seany_boy2k8 wrote:

i stuck it on ebay bids starting at 120 and buy it now 175 shall see what happens

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Let us know how you get on.

Don't really use my laptop myself nowadays as I got my gaming PC and iPad so don't need laptop no more, so am thinking about either selling it or giving it to friend\family.

It be interesting to know what you get for yours.

[Warren_Jeeves]

I'm your friend, I'd even marry your cousin if it would help.

[James91]

Whoever it was that recommended Bulldozer, ignore that. You'd be better off with either a Phenom II X4 or even better an i3 or i5.

For just over £700 this is what I'd go for

[seany_boy2k8]

this is the laptop i went with

http://www.novatech.co.uk/pc/range/destroyerv3.html

i know some of you guys might think its over priced but im sitting here on it now testing BF3 on full graphics including AA and its running smoothly, i love novatech!

[James91]

Laptop?

Anyway, it's not too bad a build bar the PSU and the GPU, you could've got a better GPU if you'd built yourself like the 7850. And an i7 is probably too much power.

Bar that it's not too bad for a pre-build.

[seany_boy2k8]

you can have a PC too powerful? lol