Level 1
fenian wrote:but how do you know what you need if you cant try them? thats why some beta testers support game sharing.
xElfenLied_US wrote:
Shouldn't be so cheapGo buy what you need!
one of the comments on that page said it's like someone coming into your home and stealing £100 quids worth of stuff and how would people like it if he did that?
I'd love it I've got a baseball bat and a nailgun just waiting for someone to try it now
I sit in darkness in my living room every night waiting for a shadow at the window but no one comes near 
Level 3
BettySwollocks92 wrote:one of the comments on that page said it's like someone coming into your home and stealing £100 quids worth of stuff and how would people like it if he did that?
Its more like someone taking stuff out of the skip/bin outside your house that you were throwing out anyway, then knocking on your door and saying "this chair is aight, cost 50 quid new, here you go" handing you the money and then walking away leaving the rest of the junk there.
Level 4
fenian wrote:
most big pirates I know have huge music/dvd/bluray/game collections of bought stuff, but am not really bothered.. ^_^
I read an article a few years ago, I've got a feeling a link to it was posted on here, but I can't remember where the article was now. Essentially it said that the average person who illegally downloads stuff buys more music/DVDs etc. than the average person who doesn't illegally download stuff. By attempting to prevent them from donloading (I say attempting because shutting down TPB will do nothing, in a similar way to how shutting down suprnova and countless other file sharing sites did nothing), the legal market may ultimately suffer.
Level 6
WJB1 wrote:fenian wrote:
most big pirates I know have huge music/dvd/bluray/game collections of bought stuff, but am not really bothered.. ^_^
I read an article a few years ago, I've got a feeling a link to it was posted on here, but I can't remember where the article was now. Essentially it said that the average person who illegally downloads stuff buys more music/DVDs etc. than the average person who doesn't illegally download stuff.
I know of at least two different studies which came to this conclusion. (One in Sweden, and another in Norway).
I remember, from when I was a kid, that the people who copied a lot of music from others were those who bought most music as well, so their results didn't surprise me much.
By attempting to prevent them from donloading (I say attempting because shutting down TPB will do nothing, in a similar way to how shutting down suprnova and countless other file sharing sites did nothing), the legal market may ultimately suffer.
...though I'm not sure I agree with this conclusion (the last part, that is).
Thinking back, the reason those who pirated a lot of music also bought a lot of music was simply because of their interest in music. They'd go on and on about new groups, getting hyped up about groups coming to nearby cities, etc. I wasn't at all into music the way they were -- I mostly remember how annoying it was trying to keep up with all new group names they dug up. And for the record, I never - as far as I can remember - gave a tape to anyone and asked them for music. But sometimes I got tapes without asking. "You have to listen to this, you'll love it!". .. and I didn't love it. In fact; I rarely liked it at all. I was more of a Beethoven, Tjajkovskij, etc guy. And I listened to a lot of SID music. They listened to Front 242, Leibach, Front Line Assembly, etc. Not my cup of tea, to put it mildly. Anywho... Taking a trip down memory lane..
Piracy may have been a contributing factor which helped them expand their music span slightly and cause them to buy records (I can think of one or two such cases), but I think that no matter how you look at it, the overall interest in music was the primary motivator. And that's the conclusion that can be drawn from the two studies.
I don't think blocking Pirate Bay will affect sales either way, to be honest. Shutting down or blocking The Pirate Bay is only of a symbolic value. Equally, I don't think setting up more pirate sites will increase sales, either.
Level 6
PatC_PSN wrote:
zinep wrote:I know of at least two different studies which came to this conclusion. (One in Sweden, and another in Norway).
I bet I could find at least two other studies that concluded the exact opposite. I won't because I can't be bothered, and it would prove nothing anyway.
Of course it could prove something; if the papers are of high enough level of reliability and validity.
Does anyone really believe that these studies are entirely neutral and objective?
I believe that the best way to determine if the studies are entirely/sufficiently neutral and objective is to read them and be critical (in a scientific way, not that hand-waving "Nothing can be trusted!" way).
For final papers to pass in the university they need to be of sufficient quality. I'm not saying really bad ones don't slip through once in a while, but I think for the most part they are of good quality. I happen to have helped my old dorm neighbour with her final project in the same institution which one of those two studies originated from, and I know they are quite rigorious with their students' final papers.
Note that I don't think anyone should take my word for anything either -- read the studies, make up your own mind, and if you've read it and have objections, then bring them up for discussion.
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