Gran Turismo

[vanmaan]

I would rather play GT5;P, than some of the other games that pass as racing sims , Grid is better to play using a controller then a wheel, NFS games just pass , but they r very framie. ( Starts & stops ) Hav'nt had any of that on GT5 . Do"s this dude have a wheel, He maybe a controller user , & would'nt know ?

[bounce2audio]

IMO,

The GT series has always been the same, and that is "The real diiving simulator for people who don't drive real cars, FACT!

Don't get me wrong, it is getting a lot better with each new incarnation, LOL "in car nation"

I still have GT4 and I just got 5P and the new timetrial and they are all good fun but they have a long way to go before they are accurate enough to be called real sims!

If you are driving a real car and you turn the steering wheel from left to right as fast as you can the wheels turn at that exact same speed, the wheels in GT do not they turn slower!. When you push the break peddle down to the floor as fast as you can in a real car the breaks work at the same speed, in GT they do not, they are slower! And you can also turn all driving aids off and use "professional" mode in a car that has NO ABS and put your foot flat to the floor and still steer the car!  The accelerator is the same especially in high performance cars with highly responsive engines, when you put your foot down on the accelerator fast it can be a very violent reaction, but not in GT, in GT it is a lot slower.

I am talking fractions of a second here but this is supposed to be a sim, right?

And the tire grip IMO is the worst part, there is no real snap when you ether lose or regain grip, the tires just start to slide a bit more and a bit more until you have no grip at all,  real cars in certain situations especially light ones with race tires "BREAK LOOSE" (Im sure you have heard the expression) and it can be very fast! even when you regain grip it can snap back incredibly fast, but in GT everything is a lot slower!

And how real can physics possibly be anyway if it is impossible to flip your car, SERIOUSLY

Buy the way, No body at any of the top sim sites on the net EVER drive any GT games, go and have a look if you don't believe me!

Also, games like NFS, Grid and shift are not sims at all, there games!

In short I play GT and I like it because its fun! Especially the amount of cars and great tracks but if I want a sim I love rally so I still play Richard Burns Rally because it is still by far the best rally sim (the GT4 rally section was an embarrassing joke! A lot worse than the tarmac part)

For road racing GTR2 is not perfect but the best imo!

Peace!

[GTR34mh]

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A sentence doesn't always have to end in a exclamation mark. As to your points, you're ossibly trying to dissect the game too much. The cars are very responsive for me. If you're using a wheel, it could possibly be one that isn't quite up to scratch, and that could be your problem I guess. Or it could be the TV/Moniter you are using. One with a slower response time will give you something to that effect. Except for your grip complaint, the rest is about how everything is 'slower', and I personally haven't experienced it.

As for the grip, you're possibly expecting things to be too sudden and somewhat spectacular/arcadey. Many cars do break loose, on pro physics more so than standard. They just won't have a dramatic spin unless pushed further. Again, it depends on the car on how the break loose. Tried driving the Lotus'?

Oh, and the ability to make cars flip is coming in GT5.

[bounce2audio]

GTR34mh,

You have got to be joking, Are you saying that GT is the real driving sim as long as you don't dissect it too much, Please. And as for my wheel, No wheel has lag of any kind no matter how cheap it is. cheep wheels can have crap or no feed back and feel crap but they do not have lag, that makes no sence at all, if you must know I started with a driving force and now have a G25. and my TV is just fine. And as for what your personal experiance, what is your personel experiance? you would know more about GT than maybe anyone with your 4,136 posts but with  what do you compare GT to? you say it feels fine but fine compared to what?

I my self have driven a "REAL" Radical SR8* a wrx with 380 kw and a porsche 911 with 450 kw. I have been thrashing my own cars around for over 20 years and would say I have a lot of real life experience to make my observations. and as for the grip I really dont think you have a clue about real world driving, I have experienced everything that I put in my post in real life, how about you?

And as for VR racing, my best time for the GT5 time trial Black car) is 1:28:288 (it's on the net) so Im not as good as the best but Im obviously not too crap.

And what you said about grip"you're possibly expecting things to be too sudden and somewhat spectacular/arcadey" What a joke! as I have told you I have been drivng for probably longer the you have been alive.

Richard burns Rally and GTR2 are way better SIM'S than GT will ever be! so maybe you should give them a go so that you may understand a bit more about phisics before you answer a post with pathetic comments that make no real sense at all, but then again some one like you may be better off sticking to GT because you may find a real sim a bit to much to handle! see if you can do a single stage in Richard Burns with out crashing with in a week, I don't think so.

and buy the way I use exclamation marks when I am stating facts! 

[wildheart90]

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bounce2audio wrote:

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you act as though u could do a better job than them...

[GTR34mh]

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wildheart90 wrote:

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bounce2audio wrote:

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you act as though u could do a better job than them...

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I can see it now. 'I need to make a simulation game! It must be exactly like GTR2! GTR2 is the best, and everything else is an arcade game! Actually, why bother, I'll close down this studio and play GTR2 for the rest of my life!'

Possibly too far, but seriously mate, trying to make you accept an opinion seems as hard as wrestling a brick wall. Not even trying to make you say that GT is a better game, but at least realise it's still a top notch simulator game (Probably the best on console, only Forza comes close) and you whinging about trivial things. Every game is different, and no simulator to date has been entirely accurate.

[smokeypsd]

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bounce2audio wrote:

IMO,

The GT series has always been the same, and that is "The real diiving simulator for people who don't drive real cars, FACT!

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lost me from that point on.

[IPityDaFoolYo]

hes right though. if youve never driven performance cars or the cars in the game, you could probably be forgiven for thinking that high powered cars are really hard to control and spin/slide at the slightest touch of the wheel under acceleration. but when youve driven lots of these cars in real life for dozens/hundreds of hours, you notice that GT's way of how cars handle/perform is a lot different to how they actually do in real life. all you need to do is look at a car like a GTS-T skyline in real life and in GT to see just how wrong it is. in real life, you give it even half throttle mid corner and the back end is gonna step out, but its still easily controllable. in GT, you half throttle mid corner and you get nothing but understeer. same goes for cars like supras, 200sxs, ect etc. ive driven my WRX for the better part of 6 years now, so i think i know how a WRX handles, and in GT they handle nothing like the real thing.

[Lion-Face]

Have you driven your WRX on a track and pushed it? Driving a car round the city streets and countryside is completely different to racing a car on a track.

And, you are still referring back to GT4 I see, which you had limited play time on, with a controller and not a wheel, and based on posts you've made around here, you have even less time with GT5Prologue and I'm going to guess you downloaded GT academy, which has the latest version of GT Physics, which I will assume you've probably lapped once and quit out, still with the normal PS3 Controller, your hardly in a position to comment on how GT portrays cars.

[IPityDaFoolYo]

limited play time on gt4? i dont think getting to like 85%-90% is 'limited play time'. controller or no controller, full-lock with full throttle mid corner should see those cars sidestepping like a football player. it doesnt.

ive had more than enough play time with the GT series to know how it portrays cars - not like the real cars theyre modelled on. do you SERIOUSLY think that Nissan would release the 370Z if if handled like the one in the demo? theyd never sell a ***** car lol.