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DrTrouserPlank wrote:

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MastrGT wrote:

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DrTrouserPlank wrote:
Even an official announcement on this game isn't worth anything.

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There wasn't an official announcement for Japan either, just as there isn't one with this rumour.

Just some SONY guy spouting off something to a reporter. He's blown smoke before, too.

After SONY gives us a real announcement, backed up by a press release, then you can say we got a date.

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Well there was an official announcement regarding the delay that is occurring in Japan (this has now been removed from the official site so I can't link it), and if you don't call the creator of the game confirming a March release in Japan I don't know who we're meant to believe. Don't you think that should have been reliable enough to believe? If the guy in charge of the game doesn't know the release date then how can anyone else be expected to?

This story is just conjecture, maybe a sloppy translation, maybe just a remark made without any real thought, but the pattern is still the same; suggestion of a release schedule followed by mass uncertainty and eventual delay.

People have fallen back on the excuse "there hasn't been a release date given" granted that is the case, but anyone with any sense can see they have already bodged two attempted releases of this game already because their marketing department didn't know what was going on (I can't say I can blame them frankly).

Even if you don't accept that statement, you must admit that the release schedule and information pertaining to this and the game has been a bit of a shambles. It seems very much that PD and Sony are not communicating effectively with one another, and the PR department is in permanent darkness (along with the rest of us) on the big plan for GT5's release.

Summarising; The wait for development was tolerable given the quality of the product, but the way it's release has been handled beggars belief.

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I agree 100%.

[EVO-Krymzen]

I guess me being busy as hell isn't such a bad thing then. Hopefully get all the important life stuff out of the way and get settled, then GT5 time at Christmas 2010!!

Oh dear oh dear Sony. It really looks like you've properly beggered this up!!

Looks like the waiting game, is still fully on!

[MastrGT]

As you might guess, I don't agree at all.

All we were given about the March/Japan "date" was a target month, no date. That should have been a huge clue for us all. If you follow how SONY does their GT releases, they always have some sort of formal press release supporting what they are telling us, if it is "real". It goes to all of the big, relevant newswires, too. This never came for the March target, so, in the end, that's all it ever was - just another elusive target. Now, granted, at the time, they probably meant it, but that doesn't matter, either. Things changed and they haven't said why. (That's our problem, not theirs, although some people still try to make SONY or PD the bad guy out it. They are the ones running the multi-million dollar program, not us.)

But PD's targets are pretty elusive and they don't tell us everything that is going on behind the scenes, therefore it leaves us to either make up fantasies based on little to no information or believe the rumour-of-the-day that circulate.

Kaz can say whatever he likes (and sometimes he does, jokingly or not, which is why I take what he says with a large grain of salt, until I hear more backing up the topic of the day) and a few other SONY officials seem to do that, too. We have had a Candian SONY rep give us a target, this UK rep has blown smoke twice now, and one of the most recently repeated ones is the "summer of 2010" target, based on Chris' comment in a magazine and elsewhere, even said personally to a friend of mine. Whether these are calculated to calm the fans, keep the media working for them or whether they are based on the latest internal corporate "truth" or not, we can't tell, therefore, without an official press release, they are all blowing smoke and everyone who believes the rumour-of-the-day is susceptable to the stress related to them.

Now, as we learned with GT4, GT:HD and a few times with Prologue, even getting a press release is no guarantee that things will be as they say today, but until they invent something better or you wait for the box to be on the store shelf, a press release is all we've really got to go on.

So, the next time anyone mentions a release date, even someone from SONY, ask yourselves: Does this rumour have a press release to back it up? If not, walk away smiling to yourself and go back to racing GT4 and Prologue for a few more months.

[DrTrouserPlank]

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MastrGT wrote:

As you might guess, I don't agree at all.

All we were given about the March/Japan "date" was a target month, no date. That should have been a huge clue for us all. If you follow how SONY does their GT releases, they always have some sort of formal press release supporting what they are telling us, if it is "real". It goes to all of the big, relevant newswires, too. This never came for the March target, so, in the end, that's all it ever was - just another elusive target. Now, granted, at the time, they probably meant it, but that doesn't matter, either. Things changed and they haven't said why. (That's our problem, not theirs, although some people still try to make SONY or PD the bad guy out it. They are the ones running the multi-million dollar program, not us.)

But PD's targets are pretty elusive and they don't tell us everything that is going on behind the scenes, therefore it leaves us to either make up fantasies based on little to no information or believe the rumour-of-the-day that circulate.

Kaz can say whatever he likes (and sometimes he does, jokingly or not, which is why I take what he says with a large grain of salt, until I hear more backing up the topic of the day) and a few other SONY officials seem to do that, too. We have had a Candian SONY rep give us a target, this UK rep has blown smoke twice now, and one of the most recently repeated ones is the "summer of 2010" target, based on Chris' comment in a magazine and elsewhere, even said personally to a friend of mine. Whether these are calculated to calm the fans, keep the media working for them or whether they are based on the latest internal corporate "truth" or not, we can't tell, therefore, without an official press release, they are all blowing smoke and everyone who believes the rumour-of-the-day is susceptable to the stress related to them.

Now, as we learned with GT4, GT:HD and a few times with Prologue, even getting a press release is no guarantee that things will be as they say today, but until they invent something better or you wait for the box to be on the store shelf, a press release is all we've really got to go on.

So, the next time anyone mentions a release date, even someone from SONY, ask yourselves: Does this rumour have a press release to back it up? If not, walk away smiling to yourself and go back to racing GT4 and Prologue for a few more months.

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I don't really think that anything being released is based on the latest "internal corporate truth" because I don't think such an agenda exists. That is to say, I don't believe that some of these vague statements being made are being put out there in good faith, only to be later proved incorrect. I actually don't think there is a coherent strategy for GT5's release because the GT academy was obviously a deal agreed very late in the day, and it scuppered the plan for the once-proposed December release, or the more likely Japan release in March.

On the issue of whether these statements are being released to "calm the fans"; that's even more worrying, and even more deceptive than the other option explored above. Is that really how you handle the release of the biggest game on the PS3? A game that is (in my opinion) undeniably finished and ready to be pressed.

To me, the GT5 "road-show" is in motion. The game is being shown at trade shows and car launches but no release date is forthcoming, nor is any promotions outside of these events. It very much strikes me that this was due to be the build-up of the media-storm and promotion for GT5's March release in Japan. Instead what you have got is a sort-of aborted attempt to launch the game, with dates and events that were booked many months ago and were unable to be canceled before the Japanese release disappeared into the ether.<

[funky_skunk]

I've had red wine and beer tonight so there are waaaaay too many words in the above 2 posts for me to get my brain round right now. HOWEVER... Erm... I had a good point and I've forgotten it now. But I think the plank man has many good points. And most of my frustrations have been echoed in his words. My bottom line is, or the bottom of my line... or the line at my bottom... IS... That the respect that GT fans give the franchise is in no way recip... hold on till I google this word... reciprocated. Some *****************ing information is all we want. ACCURATE information if it's not too much trouble... This took so long to write. I'm exhausted...

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[manphibian]

How is see it:

They have tried to implement damage, and it looks rubbish.

They have also finally realised that things have moved on in the 84 years they have been making htis game.  They have compared their solid tyre walls and hopelessly unrealistic collision simulation and admitted that it isn't up to scratch any more.

They have panicked and had to re-do a large amount of the coding.

There will be a new demo in the summer, showing some completely new stuff,  and hopefully by autumn they will have made the game we all expect.

You've all played prologue and the academy demo,  you KNOW it's not up to scratch in many ways....... they do too.

[aphexstwin]

but, but, grolsch is mingin'. i absolutely echo those words written by those more sober than i am atm. i think either the next big game or autosport event, think le mans or E3, will be the new possible launch date. and as a 220mb download of the most car-physics demo ever produced, which showed us what the new game will bring, i hardly doubt theres anything to 'fix'

[Raybrig_]

Ive come to the conclusion that the internetwebthingy is BAD !!!

The darkness i enjoyed waiting on GT4 was soo much more berable, sometime no info of any kind is better than crap info!

[MastrGT]

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Raybrig_ wrote:

Ive come to the conclusion that the internetwebthingy is BAD !!!

The darkness i enjoyed waiting on GT4 was soo much more berable, sometime no info of any kind is better than crap info!

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Technology has changed, though.

With GT4, we had nothing in the game to handle on-line. The Prologue had no on-line, either. What we did have was a reasonably steady stream of high quality pictures that kept us glued to our computer screens counting new cars and locations, every so weeks apart. We had no real idea how they were produced or had no idea we would be able to produce similar ones ourselves.

On top of this, we had about a dozen free one-manufacturer demos to play, if we could get our hands on any of them. I never did, not even the one released south of the border.

Today (meaning over the last couple of years), we have had GT:HD Concept, Prologue (with a few updates) and this recent TT demo, and we don't even know yet if this is the end.

This time, real information seems more limited, though, even after hearing about some of the interesting features, such as head-tracking and 3D. This lack of info is keeping some people on edge more than is healthy for them.

[funky_skunk]

Right. I'm away out to get a copy of GT4 again.