Gran Turismo

[buzzthesheep]

i know the physics are pretty weird and the graphics and attention to detail in the car models are no where near gt5, but have you seen the car list?

look at the caterham r500, and the original mini, and all of thee cars have cutom and  3 or 4 pre set liveries, with a wealth of visual upgrades both to interior and exterior that gt5 could benefit from.

the real world tracks below are a brilliant list which has been put together properly rather than dictated by time that the developers clearly didnt have.

i think they should work like mad men, put together a much more solid career mode, with no blocky shaddows or dark cockpits, or standard cars, much less stupid variations of mx5 and skylines a bonnet view (no silly roof cam where you cant tell where the camera is actually gonna be placed- all you know is that on the whole its gonna be too high up.) more tracks and theres going to be less cars but work hard to get a good selection in.

sorry for my rant, i just wanted to let loose my opinions. tell me what you think of the two games, or what you think should make it into the gt series.

1. Acura
   2005 NSX [link]
   
   Alfa Romeo
   2007 8C Competizione [link]
   2008 8C Spider
   1966 Giulia Sprint 1600 GTA Corsa [Legends Pack DLC]
   2010 Giulietta QV [Limited Edition Exclusive] [link]
   
   Alpina
   2010 B6 GT3 (Team S-Berg Racing) [link]
   
   Aston Martin
   2006 DB9 Coupe [link]
   2010 DBRS9 (Hexis AMR) [link]
   2010 DBR9 (Hexis AMR; Young Driver AMR) 8link]
   2010 DBS Volante
   2007 V8 Vantage N400 [link]
   
   Audi
   2006 R8 Coupé 4.2 FSI quattro [link]
   2010 R8 Spyder 5.2 FSI quattro
   2010 R8 LMS (Black Falcon; Saintloc-Phoenix Racing; Team Rosberg; United Autosports) [link]
   2008 RS4 [link]
   2007 S3 [link]
   2006 S4 [link]
   2007 TT Coupe 3.2 quattro [link]
   
   Bentley
   2010 Continental Supersports [link]
   
   BMW
   2008 135i Coupé [link]
   1974 3.5 CSL [Legends Pack DLC]
   1979 M1 Procar [link]
   1990 M3 Sport Evolution (E30) [link]
   1996 M3 (E36) [link]
   2003 M3 (E46) [link]
   2008 M3 (E92) [link]
   2010 M3 GT2 (RLL/BMW Motorsport) [link] [Reward Car Endurance]
   2010 M6 Coupe [link]
   2010 Z4 GT3 (Team Need For Speed/Schubert Motosport) [link] [Reward Car GT3]
   2007 Z4 M Coupé [link]
   2010 Z4 sDrive35is [link]
   
   Bugatti
   2006 Veyron 16.4 [link]
   
   Caterham
   2010 Superlight R500 [link]
   
   Chevrolet
   2010 Camaro ***** [link]
   2010 Camaro ***** Dr.Pepper Edition [link] [Reward Car Dr. Pepper Promotion]
   2006 Cobalt ***** [link]
   2010 Corvette C6.R (GT1) (Mad-Croc Racing; Phoenix Racing/Carsport) [link]
   1967 Corvette Sting Ray 427 [link]
   2010 Corvette Z06.R GT3 (Callaway Competition; Graff Racing; Toni Seiler Racing) [link]
   2008 Corvette Z06 [link] [Reward Car]
   
   Dodge
   1971 Challenger R/T [link]
   1971 Challenger R/T Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   2006 Challenger Concept [link]
   1969 Charger R/T [link]
   1997 Twins Turbo Motorsports Viper GTS [image] [Reward Car Standing Mile]
   2008 Viper SRT10 [link]
   
   Ford
   1974 Capri RS3100 [Legends Pack DLC]
   1973 Escort RS1600 [Legends Pack DLC]
   1996 Escort RS Cosworth [link]
   2010 Focus RS [link]
   2006 Focus ST [link]
   2005 Ford GT [link]
   1966 GT 40 [Legends Pack DLC]
   2010 Matech Ford GT GT1 (Marc VDS Racing Team; Matech Competition) [link]
   2010 Matech Ford GT GT3 (Fischer Racing; Marc VDS Racing Team) [link]
   2011 Monster Energy/Falken Tire Mustang GT [link] [Reward Car Drift]
   1969 Mustang RTR-X [link] [Reward Car Muscle]
   2010 Shelby GT500 [link]
   
   Gumpert
   2009 Apollo S [link]
   
   Honda
   2006 Civic Si [link]
   2000 S2000 [link]
   
   Infiniti
   2003 G35 (V35) [link]
   
   Jaguar
   1963 E-Type Lightweight [Legends Pack DLC]
   2010 XKR [link]
   
   Koenigsegg
   2010 Agera
   2006 CCX [link]
   
   Lamborghini
   2008 Gallardo LP560-4 [link]
   2010 Gallardo LP560 GT3 (Argo Racing) [link]
   2010 Murciélago R-SV GT1 (All-Inkl.com Münnich Motorsport; Reiter Engineering) [link]
   2007 Murciélago LP640 [Limited Edition Exclusive] [link]
   2007 Reventón [link]
   2010 Reventón Hot Pursuit Edition Cop Car [link] [Reward Car Hot Pursuit Players]
   
   Lancia
   1992 Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione [link]
   
   Lexus
   2008 IS-F [link]
   2010 LFA [link]
   2010 LFA Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   
   Lotus
   1964 Cortina [Legends Pack DLC]
   2006 Elise 111R [link]
   2007 Exige S [link] [Reward Car]
   
   Maserati
   2010 GranTurismo S [link]
   2010 MC12 GT1 (Triple H Team Hegersport; Vitaphone Racing Team) [link]
   
   Mazda
   2008 MX-5 [link]
   1991 RX-7 (FC3S) [link]
   1991 RX-7 (FC3S) Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   1995 RX-7 [link]
   2008 RX-8 [link]
   2011 Team Need For Speed Mazda RX-7 [link] [Reward Car Works]
   2010 Team Need For Speed Mazda RX-8 [link] [Reward Car]
   
   McLaren
   1994 F1 [link]
   2011 MP4-12C [link] [Reward Car]
   2011 MP4-12C Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   
   Mercedes-Benz
   1990 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II [link]
   1990 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   2007 SL65 AMG [link]
   2007 SLR McLaren 722 Edition [link]
   2010 SLR McLaren Stirling Moss [link] 
   2010 SLS AMG [link]
   2010 SLS AMG Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   
   MINI
   1969 Austin Mini Cooper S [Legends Pack DLC]
   
   Mitsubishi
   2006 Lancer Evolution IX MR-Edition
   2006 Lancer Evolution IX MR Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   2008 Lancer Evolution X GSR [link]
   
   Nissan
   1997 200SX (S14) 
   1992 240SX (S13) 
   1992 240SX (S13) Drift Alliance  [Reward Car]
   2005 350Z (Z33) 
   2010 370Z (Z34) 
   1971 Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) [Legends Pack DLC]
   1971 Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   2008 GT-R (R35) 
   2008 GT-R (R35) Need For Speed Edition  [Reward Car Day One]
   2009 GT-R SpecV (R35) 
   2010 GT-R GT1 (Sumo Power GT; Swiss Racing Team)  [Reward Car GT1]
   2009 Need For Speed Nissan GT-R SpecV (R35) [Reward Car]
   1999 Silvia spec.R Aero (S15) [Limited Edition Exclusive] 
   1971 Skyline 2000 GT-R (KPGC-10) [Legends Pack DLC]
   1971 Skyline 2000 GT-R (KPGC-10) Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   1992 Skyline GT-R (R32) 
   1992 Skyline GT-R (R32) Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   1999 Skyline GT-R (R34) 
   
   Pagani
   2011 Huayra 
   2011 Need For Speed Pagani Huayra [Reward Car]
   2010 Zonda Cinque Roadster
   2010 Zonda Cinque Roadster Hot Pursuit Edition  [Reward Car Hot Pursuit Players]
   2007 Zonda F 
   2010 Zonda R 
   
   Porsche
   2008 911 GT2 (997) 
   2010 911 GT3 R (Mühlner Motorsport; Prospeed Competition; Trackspeed) [link]
   2006 911 GT3 RS (997) [link]
   2006 911 GT3 RS Auto Bild Edition [link] [Reward Car Axel Springer Publications]
   2008 911 GT3 RSR (997) [link]
   2009 911 GT3 RSR Falken Tire [link] [Reward Car]
   1974 911 Carrera RSR 3.0 [Legends Pack DLC]
   1971 914/6 GT [Legends Pack DLC]
   2010 918 Spyder Concept Study [link]
   2005 Carrera GT [link]
   2010 Cayman S [link]
   1974 Need For Speed Porsche 911 Carrera RSR 3.0 [Reward Car Legends Pack]
   
   Radical
   2009 SR3 RS [link]
   
   Renault
   2008 Mégane R.S. [link]
   
   Scion
   2008 tC [link]
   2010 Team Need For Speed Scion tC [link] [Reward Car Time Attack]
   2011 World Racing PRO-FWD Reaper Scion tC [Reward Car Drag]
   
   SEAT
   2007 Leon Cupra [link]
   
   Shelby
   1966 Cobra 427 [link]
   1964 Daytona Coupe [Legends Pack DLC]
   1967 GT500 [link]
   2007 Need For Speed Shelby Terlingua Mustang [link] [Reward Car]
   
   Subaru
   2006 Impreza WRX STi [link]
   
   Toyota
   1986 Corolla GTS AE86 [link]
   1998 Supra [link]
   1998 Supra Speedhunters Edition [Speedhunters Edition Extension]
   2011 Team Need For Speed Toyota Corolla GTS AE86 [link] [Reward Car Retro]
   
   Volkswagen
   1980 Golf GTI (MKI) [link]
   2006 Golf GTI (MKV) [link]
   2008 Scirocco [link]
   
   
   
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   TRACKS (36 locations with 93 layouts in total)
   
   Real Circuit Locations
   Automotodrom Brno (GP) [link]
   Autodromo Di Pergusa (GP) [link]
   Autodromo Nazionale di Monza (GP+Junior) [link]
   Autopolis International Racing Course (GP+Lakeside) [link]
   Brands Hatch (GP+Indy) [link]
   Circuit de Catalunya (GP+Club+National) [link]
   Circuit Dijon-Prenois (GP+Short) [link]
   Circuit Spa-Francorchamps (GP) [link]
   Circuit Zolder (GP) [link]
   Donington Park (GP+National) [link]
   Dubai Autodrome (GP+International+National+Club) [link]
   Ebisu Circuit (West+South+Togue) [link]
   HockenheimRing (GP+National+Short) [link]
   Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (GP) [link]
   Motorsport Arena Oschersleben (GP+B Course) [link]
   Mount Panorama Circuit Bathurst (GP) [link]
   Nürburgring (GP+Sprint+Sprint Short+Müllenbach Schleife+Nordschleife+Aremberg+Karussell+Nürburg) [link]
   Road America (GP) [link]
   Silverstone Circuit (GP+Bridge GP+International 2009+National) [link]
   Suzuka Circuit (GP+East+West) [link]
   Toyota Speedway at Irwindale (Drift Layout 1+Drift Layout 2+Oval Drift) [link]
   Willow Springs Raceway (GP+Horse Thief Mile) [link]
   
   
   

[ZOGTHEMIGHTY]

being totally honest, there are only a few cars on that list that grab my interest, the 1970's Ford Escort and Capri, but I would have to buy the DLC to get them

track wise, I like the GT5 tracks, although I would love to see the missing original tracks from previous GT games, the ones that are there plus the real tracks, city locations and course creator tracks are plenty.

the only thing that interests me at all about shift 2 is the custom livery options, but seeing as I already have other games that have custom liveries but don't have the driving fun of GT5, it looks like SHIFT2 won't be on my wish list

[berties123]

Just been playing Forza, do like every single car is premium. If I had the choice of 1000 cars, 200 premium and 800 standard, or 500 premium I'd choose 500 premium.

Also like you can add roll cage and it's visible in cockpit view. A
Changing engines and aspiration is cool.

And the engines/supercharger/turbo sound better I don't think GT5 has supercharger whine or turbo whoosh?

[Tassie_tiger]

I've bought and played NFS Shift 2.

I simply don't get this premium car argument.

It may make a difference if you play these games purely in cockpit view and nothing else, but if you play these games in any other view, premium or not, GT surely tops the class.

NFS simply doesn't stack up to GT when it comes to graphics.

Personal preference with one particular view may make an exception, but a fairly closed minded one.

But even then, it's only the number of vehicles that differs, not the quality of graphics.

GT is far superior in its graphics and car control systems.

Its track recreation is second to none.

So it's graphics ... car control physics ... track recreation ... all top of the class with GT, ...... vs number of vehicles with cockpit view or number of tracks.

One clear winner .... and that is GT. 

[MRZOT63]

Have to agree 100% with Tassie_tiger. I also bought Shift 2 based on the YouTube and other ads that made it appear fantastic, but the handling compared to GT5 is just awful - and I mean awful - and to me that's the hardest thing to give up once you're used to something decent like GT5. I played it for about 2 days, trying to give it a chance, but driving at high speed in Shift 2 feels like driving a powerboat in choppy water... the car just jiggles all over the place, twitchy and jumpy, and nothing moves smoothly the way it does on GT5. And on top of that, the input lag is terrible. I've played NFS all my life and actully found the handling in Shift 2 worse that prior NFS releases (like Carbon). I went back to GT5 and have not played Shift 2 since. When I am fully finished GT5 (level 40 A and B, all gold licenses, own all cars, etc.) I may go back to Shift 2 but it will be a painful transition. 

On the plus side for Shift 2 and in my opinion, the biggest thing Shift 2 has over GT5, is the visual car customization possiblities they offer. That is far superior to GT5 and you can truly make the car yours. GT5 has a huge untapped opportunity here with there being so little you can alter visually on the cars.

For that reason, I agree with the OP - that PD should take a look at Shift 2 - or Carbon where you can endlessly modify the appearance of your car. With the graphics and photo mode in GT5 it would be so nice to be able to create and photograph cars you've truly personalized.

[buzzthesheep]

its true that the handling and graphics are no match for gt5, yes.

however the "i dont get the standard car thingymebob" isnt well thought through as besides the cockpit, if youre playing on a big tv, the edges are pixellated and awful. look at the lupo gti cup car's back window and you will see what i mean.

[Ronin_JayT]

Jeeze, dont show PD that, I want to at least see another GT in

my lifetime, lol

[buzzthesheep]

ha, i doubt they will look or pay any attention to it really.

[Tassie_tiger]

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buzzthesheep wrote:

its true that the handling and graphics are no match for gt5, yes.

however the "i dont get the standard car thingymebob" isnt well thought through as besides the cockpit, if youre playing on a big tv, the edges are pixellated and awful. look at the lupo gti cup car's back window and you will see what i mean.

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I agree.

And the reason why is because it isn't my arguement.

It is by far the most common comment put up by GT critics and Forza fans.

That is why I mentioned it earlier.

And if NFS Shift 2's graphics "are no match for gt5", then I'm not sure where your going by pointing out one particular model from over 1000, in one particular area,  when using a particular TV screen.

Seems a bit grasping at straws to me.

I like NFS for what it is, and I love the endless options available to make the cars look how you would like, but unfortunately, that's where it ends if your going to compare it to a game like GT5.

[buzzthesheep]

disagree. grasping at straws with my own argument? do you think that i'm a die hard forza fan or something?? i love gt5, however UNLIKE what you said there are 800 standard cars, and i assure you, theres more than one which looks awful. i used the lupo as an example. [Removed - Please mind your language]