i fear that pandoras box has been opend, and that this is going to damage future game release.
and on a extra note as stated in every thread so far if this song is so offensive why has it never been brought up before the song was released 2 years ago, and your telling me that not one person has ever noticed it yet a single person with a promo copy of the game no less has complaind and as a result has effectivly damged the gameing community.
PineCone07 wrote:
HazelAM wrote:
PineCone07 wrote:
techwondo wrote:
The church actually had 2 complaints. One was about the use of the church in the game and the other was about the excessive use of firearms in a city known for its gun crime.
In case you hadn't noticed, gun crime is very real and has the unlimate effect of death. Manchester has more than its fair share of gun crime. I can imagine more than a few berieved people in Manchester getting a bit miffed with a huge firefight taking place in a game set in a landmark in their city.
I would take the re-opening of painfull wounds to be more offensive than quoting a book. In a song.
This was after release.
At the end of the day what are they going to do at that point? About a month after release the complaints come in. Are they going to edit out the church and turn it into a graveyard or something through a patch, or are they just going to shut the game down?
None of those would work. Isn't it a bit obvious that the main difference between these is that the LBP problem could be easily rectified and the game hadn't been released yet?
You can't compare a massive church (an integral part of the game levels and would take a while to fix) after release to just a very offensive track that's easily removable before release.
I will accept that the Church is more offensive and bigger than a Islam offensive track, but the obvious difference between these two cases is that the LBP one can be realistically dealt with. It's an object that can be quickly deleted before release, no replacement or extra rendering needed.
don't try and tell me that they didn't notice the major gunfight set piece set in the ruins of a church before release?
and after people complained, they defended their use of the church as a location for the game.
the fact that many people see the church as a sacred place did not change in the time between the game's inception and the day of the complaints about it.
yet one person complains and mentions the word muslim and sony are prepared to waste millions recalling discs that have obviously already gone to many retailers and in fact many people are already playing.
sony are just perpetuating this hysterical paranoia over anything to do with islam.
and in doing so they have become a tool of fanatics.
and left themselves open to this kind of thing happening again and again.
many people, myself included, find this kind of censorship deeply offensive.
but are my beliefs taken into consideration?
no, because they don't invlove a god.
do i and others like me who think this kind of censorship is wrong not believe as strongly because our belief doesn't include a deity?
i hold my beliefs just as strongly as any muslim, but why are my beliefs have to be overridden.
just because they don't involve a deity.
and don't say numbers, because yes, there are a lot of muslims round the world, but i'd wager there are just as many people who would find this censorship offensive.
1. Yes they do involve a God, it's a church.
2. Church wasn't noticed before release, no trailer of it.
like i said before.
don't go trying to tell me nobody at sony had seen the gunfight in a church before the games release.
even sony aren't stupid enough to not work out that people would get offended by setting a wargame in their place of worship.and they even defended their use of the church.
but one single complaint and then due to hysterical paranioa over anything to do with islam sony folded like a house of cards in a hurricane.
if you're going to have this kind of censorship based on religion then you have to apply the rules evenly.
what i'm saying is sony were right to defend their use of the church in a game and they should have defended their use of that song in this game.
and what does this artist have to say about his work being censored because of it's connection to islam?
i listened to a couple of the artists tracks and i have to say i think i'd rather have a copy of the game that still has the said track.
but no, sony have decided i have to follow the rules of a faith i don't believe in.
was the song inciting people to violence?
i don't think it was.
then as far as i'm concerned, it's ok.
given the choice i would buy the version with the song included, and refuse the patch that would remove it if that was an option.
spiderpig2503 wrote:i fear that pandoras box has been opend, and that this is going to damage future game release.
that was my main point in creating this thread.
the way sony just rolled over on this issue is a bad sign for the content of games in the future.
they've shown people that just use the word muslim in a complaint and that's all you need to get sony to give in without a fight.
you don't even need weight of numbers, if a single complaint can bring about the recall of thousands of copies of a game that have already been shipped to stores, then this whole business is in big trouble.
if there were hundreds, or even a couple of dozen i could accept it, but after a single complaint.
i guarantee the ramifications of this decision will be felt long after the delay to this title is over.
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