MAG

[Kermit1970]

For at least two minutes at the start of the match or completely for the various leaders.

There was plenty of language coming from me, aimed at the prat who immediately after the game started voted to kick our SL.

A few minutes later our SL stood down. I was having a chat with him saying he shouldn't have.

The prat who voted to kick him didn't SL so we were without for a bit, so I stepped in.

[MusterBuster]

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Kermit1970 wrote:

For at least two minutes at the start of the match or completely for the various leaders.

There was plenty of language coming from me, aimed at the prat who immediately after the game started voted to kick our SL.

A few minutes later our SL stood down. I was having a chat with him saying he shouldn't have.

The prat who voted to kick him didn't SL so we were without for a bit, so I stepped in.

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OK, OK, first things first: don't ever bite back. If a mod is in the room you'll end up getting a warning/suspension along with the person giving you grief.

Second, personally I'm not 100% sure that closing vote to kick at the start of the match is a good idea, so I'm going to leave it open to discussion. If the general consensus is that this feature would be beneficial to the gaming experience, I'll submit it as a feature request.

Finally, I completely disagree with excluding officers from the vote to kick. I've had officers who kept marking their own targets as fragos just to earn points for themselves: defintiely someone who should not be leading.

So - a 2 minute amnesty at the start of the match for vote to kick: what do you think?

MB

[T-e-X]

yeah that or some other deal that makes it more fair. and maybe disable team votes if its the same clan in the squad.. ehh!?

[kontraband]

+1 Nope. 

+ The only times Ive voted to kick are precisely as MB's just said. SL's out for their own and not squad gaming or just basically clueless and costing the entire squad life and hampering the cause. 

[Plambey]

i dont play mag, but all hell may break loose at the start of each game and last for atleast 2minutes, especially if there isnt a mod in the room...

[Kermit1970]

Therein lies the problem MB. We the humble players don't know who initiated the kick.

We all know the reason why the SL is being voted to kick at the very beginning of the match though. It's because person prat wanted to be a squad leader, but wasn't chosen by the game.

T-e-x I'm not entirely sure I agree with you there. Yes there are times when a clan will vote to kick someone just to get their own member as SL, BUT and this has happened to my clan a few times, somebody from outside the clan has decided to initiate a kick for a clan member, and kept on trying. Now in that scenario I agree with the clan members who will kick said repeat offender off the team.

[Milereb]

It's exactly like that, usually it's either because they wanted leadership, that or the squadleader isn't setting the right frago's (but usually it comes from people without a mic then otherwise they could have requested a frago change).

And as much as I like playing with friends and clanmates, but you usually don't stand a chance when they decided in the 5th second of the match that they are jealous of you because their friend isn't squadleader.

There should be some kind of anti-vote (vote to kick Milereb -yes/no) or vote reason maybe.. Not sure how that would work though.. Or only one kickvote a match, to stop serial kickers, cause usually they try more then once.

[fords30]

I generally disagree.

I mean, a lack of leadership within the first few minutes can be pretty costly. Whether it be a lack of direction, strategy etc, the game can very much be won or lost within those opening few minutes.

A 'Vote to Demote' type feature could help to solve the problem by demoting the SL from their position if the squad feels as though they're not doing their job; after all, there's no need to remove them from the game just because they're not great at the role.

Regardless, it was requested a long time ago over on the MAG forums, but nothing has been done about it, so it's just one of those things..

[Kermit1970]

Ah but at least in the first few minutes you can find out if your SL is crap. I've been in plenty of games where as soon as it's started a vote to kick the SL has been initiated, and this is even before the game has actually got of the ground.

[God_Error]

agree with the first 2 minutes being a no vote period..

but it will not stop clan members voting the SL off though which sucks!