lsd1968 wrote:
Solid_Snake12345 wrote:
Batsugun wrote:
Solid_Snake12345 schreef:
ReKonvicted wrote:
If you are that much of a perfectionist then complete the games. It's like someone with ocd cleaning wanting to throw their dirty dishes.- They might not have the games.
- They might not want to buy the games.
- They might have bought the game thinking they'd enjoy it and then didn't.
- The game might have gotten a trophy patch after the game was released and the older save does not unlock trophies.
- A friend/relative may have brought over the game to play co-operatively.
- The disk may be broken.
- They may have multiple sets of trophies for the same game (Demon's Souls being the best example of this).
And I'm sure there's more.
The trophy list is sort of a history of the gamer, showing what you accomplished but also where you gave up for whatever reason, lost interest or had your disk broken of course.
So if a gamer is very ***** about completing all trophies on the list, he should just play through games he doesn't enjoy or deal with the fact that there will be unfinished business on the list, rather than asking for the easy way out - the option to delete.
If completed games matter that much, prepare yourself better. Either play on a test account as proposed in this thread, or test out games in-store to make sure you really enjoy them before you buy them.
I think Sony should keep the trophy system as it is, not waste resources on implementing a delete-option just to allow some people to present themselves prettier that they are - 'look I completed every game I played'. Now the trophy list is an accurate and honest representation of what games you played most, and it should be kept as such imo.
What on earth... It's hardly a "history of the gamer" when there is no ability to view the trophies (not the games, the trophies) in chronological order, when many games were released before trophies were introduced, when trophy patches don't retroactively reward trophies based on the save game due to the posibility of exploitation, when many people play games beyond completion and more.
Nobody cares that there is unfinished business on the list or about completed games. That they wish to make themselves look better (and if anybody thinks a trophy list is a sign of how good they look that in itself is worrying). The only reason people want the ability to delete the games off of there list is clearly because they are never going to return to the game if it's at zero percent and even if they do return to the game the trophy list will reappear again. and continue to update. There is, quite literally, no reason at all to try and prevent the ability to delete games off the list that don't have trophies.
In fact, let's look at my list if you wish. I set up a Playfire accouont a few days ago to keep track of my games (and as I admitted in my previous post to help find somebody willing to play co-operatively on Peace Walker for the only trophy I ever purposely went out of my way to get) and it lists all my games: https://www.playfire.com/Solid_Snake12345/games?source=psn&letter=
Now, it lists 53 games. 9 of those are Playstation Store games, 10 if you include Warhawk and 11 if you include the Sly Cooper Collection mini-games. Therefore the amount of retail games are 44, 43 or 42 depending on whether you include those games as retail or not. On my trophy list I have nine games under 5% and four games at 0%. Of those 42 games I no longer own: GTA IV, Fallout 3 (not on the Playstation 3), Street Fighter 4, Resistance 3, Red Dead Redemption, MAG, LittleBigPlanet 2, Just Cause 2, Gran Turismo 5, Demon's Souls US edition or Call of Duty World at War. Of these GTA IV is the lowest at 1%. Fallout 3 is then the second lowest at 2%. Going by your suggestion that trophies are a gamer's history that indicates I gave up after I left the Vault, right? Wrong. Both Fallout 3 and GTA 4 got a trophy patch. I had about 100 hours into Fallout and 100% completion (or very close to that. I think I might have been missing one pigeon) into GTA. For Fallout, when the trophy patch came and after making a new save (on the 15-12-2008) I sold it after escaping the Vault due to the exclusive (or atleast it was announced then as) Xbox 360 Downloadable content and went and bought it for the 360 later. The trophies do not indicate this piece of history at all.
So clearly I have no problem with not finishing rented, sold or lended games considering so few of them are 0% so then where do those four 0% games come from? Three out of the four are PSN games, they are Bionic Commando Rearmed, Super Stardust HD and PAIN. The retail game is Star Wars The Force Unleashed. Do you know anything about three of those games? They had trophy patches (Bionic Commando being the one that didn't). I considered making a new save for both GTA IV and Fallout and I quickly changed my mind failing to get past the opening of the game for a second time abandoning near complete saves (as evident by the trophies) but for those three I just really could not be bothered at all and I would rather use my completed saves instead. I am never, ever going to make a new save for them. All they are doing on the trophy list is taking up some space and listing more games than is necessary making it take longer to load and more frustrating to navigate so why not have the ability to delete them? I seriously doubt anybody is seriously combing through my trophy list and thinking "Aha! Four games at 0%! How pathetic of him to give up on these games!". In fact, I even would hope that nobody on my friend's list really cares that much about what I've done in each game as such a thing would be rather commiserable.
The ability to delete games with zero gamerscore is available on the Xbox. I highly doubt it took such a significant amount of resources that it subtracted from something else in any meaningful way. It's not about presenting yourself to others prettier, it's about getting rid of completely unnecessary listings. And as I hope I've demonstrated, the trophy list is hardly " an accurate and honest representation of what games you played most." considering games before the trophy patch are excluded and games after the trophy patch don't retroactively check your save so why not just give users the ability to delete games they never plan on playing? Personally, if the feature isn't added I don't really care less. I don't think it' a big deal and I don't care about trophies enough that I check so regularly that it bother me. However, why on earth anybody would argue against giving additional options to the user is completely out of my grasp.
EDIT: Whoops, I went on a rant,. I presume this is now structured poorly as a result (probably not very clear either) and the bits I bolded were what I initially was going to comment on but I think I may have gotten sidetracked. Sorry!
EDIT 2: At the below, nobody is suggesting that people are allowed delete trophies. That would be absolutely absurd and people would simply delete all their un-platinumed games. What people want is the ability to remove games from their list (or hide as I'd prefer so people can do either) that have no trophies at all. All it would do is take a name off the list and would have no impact on the number of trophies at all.
EDIT 3 (I'm thinking this might be getting excessive...): The site listed also does not differentiate between DLC trophies and normal ones so as such there may not be 14 100%s listed their even though the game is platinumed just in case that makes it look like I'm lying.
i need some rope and a grappling hook
It's hardly a wall of text considering it's split into nine paragraphs.
Unless you'd prefer that every line gets a paragraph?
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Hmm hope it quotes.
They have to buy the game for it to show up as 0% in their list.
One can still complete the games even if one doesn`t like it, I didn`t like Duke Nukem Forever, but I still completed it once.
Delete the save and start over then.
Buy your games at GameStop and get a "Broken disc" guarentee(typo). Other stores probably have this too.
My Demon`s Souls is in chinese 
Since sony said they listen to what the user want recently, i thought id leave a message to keep it high on thier message boards.
-If you dont want the chance to delete trophies DONT USE IT!
also if that would affect the psn scores and what not, just bring in a 'hide' option so that set of trophies seems removed, this can be used so if the player does replay the game or get dlc for it, then it becomes unhidden and back visable on the system.
also for the fact some demo/trial's now open up a trophy set!!! arghh.
scott_damien wrote:Since sony said they listen to what the user want recently, i thought id leave a message to keep it high on thier message boards.
-If you dont want the chance to delete trophies DONT USE IT!
also if that would affect the psn scores and what not, just bring in a 'hide' option so that set of trophies seems removed, this can be used so if the player does replay the game or get dlc for it, then it becomes unhidden and back visable on the system.
What you said would make them even more pointles than they already are.
scott_damien wrote:the main fact is, you borrow, rent, trial or just dont like a game. that youll never play again and your left with 0-5% tophy score to look at forever.
and to be blatently honest IT ANNOYS ME.
Yeah so.
I rent and borrow games and it does not bother me.
If it bothers you then play it on a 2nd account so it does not effect you main account or don't rent and borrow or complete them.
Trophies are pointles IMO anyway and to do this would make them even more so.
They are suppose to be a true record of your gaming
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