PlayStation®3 General Discussion

[ValiX]

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Zedimus wrote:

A passing thought...

What if Sony decided to keep the "Other OS" option even after it came to light that that the PS3 could be hacked by it.

At first the 1% of users who use "Other OS" would rejoice and cheer, the rest of us would probably say "Meh, whatever".

But then a particualy skilled hacker gets into the PSN and shuts it down.  We all now know what the result of that would be after the leap year incident, No PSN, No Trophys and restricted game access if at all.

Then 99% of users blames Sony for NOT doing somthing earlier.

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Good post. You've hit the nail on the head there.

[kiwiatlarge]

You know... they could get rid of the backwards compatibility, the SACD playback, the PS1 classics, the web browser, the media streaming... and none of it would upset me that much... IF the console can do one thing well, and that is match the 360 in it's ability to play quality games, with a decent online infrastructure.

(although it would be kinda nice to still play bluray movies as I really don't want to buy a dedicated unit just yet.. )

Likewise with the PSP... I would swap the ability to use skype or play 50 different video formats for some decent games... there is something to be said about jack of all trades, master of none...

[smokeypsd]

Why not make the entire console FULL PROOF. sony are u listening to me?

I have the ultimate security measure. Just get rid of the ENTIRE xmb. This way the console won't be used for video content coming under copyright law, music, photos, harrassment and weaknesses through psn and friends list, no chance in HELL of stumbling upon something online, because there will be no browser.

[ValiX]

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smokeypsd wrote:
Why not make the entire console FULL PROOF. sony are u listening to me?

I have the ultimate security measure. Just get rid of the ENTIRE xmb. This way the console won't be used for video content coming under copyright law, music, photos, harrassment and weaknesses through psn and friends list, no chance in HELL of stumbling upon something online, because there will be no browser.

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That's actually their master plan for PS4.

Their actually scrapping everything and going back old skool - Memory Card Manager a-la PS1

[DamageY]

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Fremean wrote:

Which does not imply that I gave them permission to remove a core feature which was clearly used in the marketing and valuing of the original device.

The feature may have been handled, in some way or entirely by software but it was marketed ON THE BOX to a target market that was interested in laying down $700 to use that feature.

The ACCC tends to agree with me in that respect, they're a little gray on firmware updates but they're not at all fond of features that were used to increase the perceived value of the device through marketing being removed. They might not if it wasn't written as a feature on the box but it is.

To satisfy them I must pen a letter to Sony and wait a reasonable amount of time for a reply, then I can contact my local office of fair trading.

In this country - TOS necessarily doesn't trump law and rights, especially when the likes of TOS are presented well after sale and ownership has changed hands, also especially when there is no signatures involved.

I put to you - how long till they remove other features for security?

The built in browser? How often does IE, Firefox, etc suffer a security exploit, surely that's an attack vector (hell it was one of the original ways to JailBreak the iPhone)

The network streaming? Sure, it's secure lol, so was OpenSSH - one of the best vetted secure protocols on earth.

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Hey, I support your cause. Don't be discouraged by these people who do not know what you are talking about. Sony cannot just remove the features from already sold product. It is illegal and against the Trade Practices Act. If these people don't realise this simple fact, I would expect them to be sucked in every single time when businesses take advantage of them.

[GTR34mh]

Oh noes, corporations control my life!!!

Well, you smart people, they control yours too. Where do you buy your groceries? Where do you buy your fuel? Who provides you with internet? Who manufactures your fridge? Who built your house?

Unless you're living in the middle of freakin' nowhere and create everything you need by yourself, corporations will rule your life. Get used to it, as it's not going to change any time soon.

[nyx-666]

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DamageY wrote:

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Fremean wrote:

Which does not imply that I gave them permission to remove a core feature which was clearly used in the marketing and valuing of the original device.

The feature may have been handled, in some way or entirely by software but it was marketed ON THE BOX to a target market that was interested in laying down $700 to use that feature.

The ACCC tends to agree with me in that respect, they're a little gray on firmware updates but they're not at all fond of features that were used to increase the perceived value of the device through marketing being removed. They might not if it wasn't written as a feature on the box but it is.

To satisfy them I must pen a letter to Sony and wait a reasonable amount of time for a reply, then I can contact my local office of fair trading.

In this country - TOS necessarily doesn't trump law and rights, especially when the likes of TOS are presented well after sale and ownership has changed hands, also especially when there is no signatures involved.

I put to you - how long till they remove other features for security?

The built in browser? How often does IE, Firefox, etc suffer a security exploit, surely that's an attack vector (hell it was one of the original ways to JailBreak the iPhone)

The network streaming? Sure, it's secure lol, so was OpenSSH - one of the best vetted secure protocols on earth.

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Hey, I support your cause. Don't be discouraged by these people who do not know what you are talking about. Sony cannot just remove the features from already sold product. It is illegal and against the Trade Practices Act. If these people don't realise this simple fact, I would expect them to be sucked in every single time when businesses take advantage of them.

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Technicaly correct except Im sure I recall seein somewhere in the fine print a disclaimer which basically states that the 'product specs may be changed at any time' which nicely sidesteps them around that

[DamageY]

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Zedimus wrote:

A passing thought...

What if Sony decided to keep the "Other OS" option even after it came to light that that the PS3 could be hacked by it.

At first the 1% of users who use "Other OS" would rejoice and cheer, the rest of us would probably say "Meh, whatever".

But then a particualy skilled hacker gets into the PSN and shuts it down.  We all now know what the result of that would be after the leap year incident, No PSN, No Trophys and restricted game access if at all.

Then 99% of users blames Sony for NOT doing somthing earlier.

When weighing up the options, regardless of local laws, Sony would be mad not to remove the "Other OS" option if the Hacking story is true.

I do feel sorry for those who legitamitly use Linux for computing but you can not blame Sony for wanting to protect thier product so 99% of its users will continue to have uniterupted access.

Yes, Sony is a company in the business of making money but there is no profit in taking this action.  Its a simple act of self preservation.

If you want to get angry and blame someone, look no further than the "Hackers", without them there would bo no problem.

Cheers.

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So, are you saying that 1% of users can be ignored? Minority groups are not important to you?

You are being confused. This update will not address the security of the PSN. It would merely prevent people from installing homebrew software (if there's such a thing) on their own PS3. What if the same hacker figures out a way to bypass the security without using the Other OS feature like a web browser? Are they going to remove the web browser then?

Without hackers you would not even be using Personal Computers (e.g. Steve Wozniak) but paying companies like IBM an exorbitant money for your computing service. Even Sony themselves use (and contribute to) the open source projects that the supposed hackers have pioneered. If anything, I blame the greedy buisnessmen who broke the promise to the consumers.

[dessy]

So when does the class action start?

[DamageY]

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GTR34mh wrote:

Oh noes, corporations control my life!!!

Well, you smart people, they control yours too. Where do you buy your groceries? Where do you buy your fuel? Who provides you with internet? Who manufactures your fridge? Who built your house?

Unless you're living in the middle of freakin' nowhere and create everything you need by yourself, corporations will rule your life. Get used to it, as it's not going to change any time soon.

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So you just give up? Are you empolyed by Sony or something? There are industry watchdogs and government agencies like ACCC that would protect your rights as a consumer without you personally sueing them. Why are you so afraid to raise your voice? We didn't do anything wrong. It's Sony who are breaking the State and Federal law if they remove the features.

I could grow my own vegetables. I could make fuel out of canola. I could even build my own ***** house! Or I could just go down the store and buy their products if it's cheaper or requires less effort. What's your point?

Corporations don't rule your life. You rule your life. I don't remember corporations going around and kill anyone just because you don't buy their product. That's just wrong.