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The point of the matter is we (The people who bought the original PS3 FAT model) we're jooped into buying a product which had contained the Linux and other OS features specified in press conferences, advertisements and in the models own specifications when we'd bought the console, but then were completly removed without doing a survey, announcements or any consultations beforehand. The only way people knew about the update is by looking on Wikipedia and by that time it was too late; most of us had updated to the latest firmware. Sony also point out if we don't update then we'll be dis-allowed from the other services like PSN and most of the important apps run through PSN; So you tell me where the choice is in that? Cos' all I see is blackmail. PSN is also what makes the PS3 work and without it; it's just another PS2 knockoff.
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MrAzazeal wrote:
if you want a media playback solution, get yaself a Raspberrry Pi, bang OpenElec on and your done, a full XBMC implementation working in a very short time that supports near enough every format without the need to do on the fly trans-coding that you would need with PS3MediaServer,
The PS3 is just a games console and thats all it should ever be, why on earth you would want to use it as a desktop replacement baffles me, if you want a low power desktop replacement, buy an Acer Revo, and yes that will connect to your TV via HDMI as well
Also the comment about paying for access to PSN, I dont remember paying any money to access it, I remember agreeing to a ToS to allow me free access to PSN, Microsoft are the ones that make you pay to access online services.
The fact remains that Sony were using Linux and OS support as a selling point for us to buy the PS3. People buy the PS3 for different reasons other than playing games cos' when you buy something you'll normally think; what product offers me more value for money, for the cheapest price. The 60GB still remains the proper PS3 model, even though it's unreliable and the other models afterwards should be renamed to PS2.5 due to them being downgraded.
Level 5
Thanks for the protracted reply Foo. I had a marvellous night sleep thanks.
Now then, lets just take a step back one moment if we can please.
We'll put to one side the advertised feature malarky - that's quite obviously a sore point and my last post that mentioned it contained an attempt at humour to lighten the mood which obviously got missed so I'll apologise if you've taken umbrage at it.
I do have one query though, I still cant fathom how you believe my original statement to be incorrect. How did you actually read it?
It's on page 2 but I'll quote it here for ease
mid3get wrote:I'm just wondering where it was advertised.
I've looked all over the box of my launch day 60gb and there is no mention of it at all, not even in the fine print...Not one iota.
I can't recall any advertisements that promoted other OS either. (although that said I can't recall last Saturday either
lol)
By what you've posted so far I believe you are referring to the sentence in bold. (beside it can't be the others - I wouldn't want to keep harping on about advertisements ) - sorry my sense of humour again.
To me, there is a clear defining parameter to my search in context to the very first sentence. So what exactly is incorrect about it/did not make clear enough?
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paddybee wrote:
FooFan73 wrote:
mid3get wrote:
FooFan73 wrote:
mid3get wrote:Thanks for the links Foo, but not wanting to argue semantics - Would you call a manual an advertisement?
No, I was referring to the statement where you said no info could be found anywhere (at the time).
I merely pointed out that the feature was mentioned and advertised (to a degree) in the system's electronic manual
EDIT: After reading several posts made after mine earlier it seems a few of you have mis-interpreted my post. I DID NOT say the feature was advertised per se. By linking to a relevant online manual I was simply pointing out that literature from Sony DID at the time mention the 'Other OS' feature as a retort to the statement made mid3get
There's too much misconception of others' posts in this thread by far, including some misread meaning of my earlier post. I was simply clarifying the existence of Sony's manual status pre- 'Other OS' removal
And if you'd not mis-interpreted my post we wouldn't be having this discussion.
No I haven't, I directly responded to your (incorrect) statement that there was no information at all about 'Other OS' with early PS3 consoles, when in fact there was, albeit an electronic manual which was accessible directly from the PS3's XMB
In my original response to you I wasn't referring in any way to the notion Sony advertised the feature. Alll I did was respond to one particular part of your post which I felt was incorrect
But you just keep going if you think I was responding to the advertising issue if it helps you sleep tonight, Jesus wept
From what I can remember about the early days of the PS3 Sony DID advertise the 'Other OS' feature in a small way. They even made reference to the news story which said al-Queda (or was it Iraq?) was (potentially) using a load of PS3's running together, via Other OS and Linux to launch missiles or do something to the (Evil) West(ern Infidels)
Unfortunately I can't find a link to that but I can certainly remember the old Mods such as MusterBuster and Yoshii having a laugh and a banter about it in a few threads here
I don't know why I'm wasting my time to be honest, you're not going to believe me are you
Denial - Not just a river in Egypt
LMAO if you think Sony would advertise that alqueda was using PS3s to launch missles.
I know this "fact" was in a paper (probably the sun, or something as reputable), but this is amazing
Is this like the fact that terrorists were using the COD series for "training"
Its like something out of Four Lions lol
Sony does state in its T&C's that it reserves the right to make changes to the console and software whenever they deem it to be necessary. You buy the console, you are bound by its terms.
If Sony had made the decision to ignore the potential security risk they identified with the OtherOS feature, and something had happened, they would have received a much more damaging wave of criticism than that of the people who were enraged by the fact they could no longer install Linux or whatever else on their console.
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Ellie87 wrote:Sony does state in its T&C's that it reserves the right to make changes to the console and software whenever they deem it to be necessary. You buy the console, you are bound by its terms.
If Sony had made the decision to ignore the potential security risk they identified with the OtherOS feature, and something had happened, they would have received a much more damaging wave of criticism than that of the people who were enraged by the fact they could no longer install Linux or whatever else on their console.
Agreed.
Software updates may include security patches, new or revised settings and features and other items, which will change your current operating system. It is recommended that you always maintain your system to use the latest version of the system software.
LarasAider wrote:The 60GB still remains the proper PS3 model, even though it's unreliable and the other models afterwards should be renamed to PS2.5 due to them being downgraded.
Perhaps they should advertise improved reliability as an upgrade to the downgrade, or unreliability as a downgrade to the upgrade.
Level 5
This old chestnut again, if you purchase any electrical product that has software or an operating system installed then said software can be altered at anytime by the owner which in this case is Sony, you are licenced to use and operate the software and do not own that said software. when you open the box and switch on the ps3 you are therefore agreeing to these terms and conditions.
you own the hardware and that is it.
Level 4
Didn't bother reading all 6 pages but as I assume has been previously iterated, you paid for a ps3, created a psn account and in doing so, you agreed to Sony's terms that they would update the console and can change the OS in any way they see fit at their discretion. You can decide to opt out of their terms but this effectively revokes your access to psn unless you accept.
Basically, Sony were quite within their rights to remove it.
Anyway, this whole thing happened in 2010 which makes this OLD NEWS...
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