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20 Mar 2012
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Someone explain to me in plain English what this is about? I'm panicking at this end D:

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Left or right?

Either way, both are strangely attractive.
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Dad's side is the wonky side. He looked like Malcolm McDowell in his A Clockwork Orange days, except now he's obese, and now has dark brown hair :|
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Does he have one set of lashes longer than the other still though?
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Well he keeps a set of fake lashes in his draw, so I'll have to question him about that.
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Weight loss surgery is not a pointless operation. Saves the NHS money in the long run from other complications associated with obesity. How would you feel if there is 1 heart is available for a transplant thats perfect for you but another person gets that transplant over you because they need it more urgently from a condition brought on by obesity that could of been helped if they had, had their stomach stapled by the NHS.

 

 

The NHS should not carrying out plastic/cosmetic surgery just because people are unhappy with their body. It should be left purely for people who need it like burn victims or after a mastectomy etc but not because your unhappy with your nose. Fair enough if you are have breathing difficulties.

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Mr_Inconspicous wrote:

Weight loss surgery is not a pointless operation. Saves the NHS money in the long run from other complications associated with obesity. How would you feel if there is 1 heart is available for a transplant thats perfect for you but another person gets that transplant over you because they need it more urgently from a condition brought on by obesity that could of been helped if they had, had their stomach stapled by the NHS.

 


 

They could try dieting as that's what anyone else does if they need to lose weight.

Why should people who like a pig & refuse to help themselves be entitled surgery like that.

There no excuse for anyone to be obese.

Same as alcohohics you can't someone who isn't prepared to help themselves i have been around alcoholics growing up & even when they have had help they still drink themselves to death.

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Weight loss surgery is not a pointless operation. Saves the NHS money in the long run from other complications associated with obesity. How would you feel if there is 1 heart is available for a transplant thats perfect for you but another person gets that transplant over you because they need it more urgently from a condition brought on by obesity that could of been helped if they had, had their stomach stapled by the NHS.

 


 

They could try dieting as that's what anyone else does if they need to lose weight.

Why should people who like a pig & refuse to help themselves be entitled surgery like that.

There no excuse for anyone to be obese.

Same as alcohohics you can't someone who isn't prepared to help themselves i have been around alcoholics growing up & even when they have had help they still drink themselves to death.



They do have to lose weight by them selves but the NHS will help them. Thats what its their for, health care for all. You could take the same view with HIV/AIDS no we won't help you, you should of worn a condom.

 

Also there is gentic proof that the body stores fat in different ways depending on what genes you have. Even other factors such as your mother being underweght (flu is a major cause) during pregnency causes the unborn childs body to store extra fat to preare for when food is not availiable. Now as food easily available almost any where around the clock  leads to the body storing fat even when it dosen't need to even when that person has a balanced diet.

 

Then theres people with pyschological conditions. Should they not be helped because of something they don't have control of?

 

As for alcholics why should they not be helped to beat an addiction?

 

I agree if something is brought about by the way you chose to live your life you should have to make an effort to change that but for the NHS not to help would wrong. Fair enough an non smoker and smoker both have need of lung transplant and lung thats a match for them comes availiable then the non smoker should be the prority. But if the smoker has quit and is trying to change then why should they not treated and get a lung transplant should one be availiable?

 

 

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I accept there conditions in which if some suffer problems or illness & are making an effort to do right by themselves but like i said if people don't responsibility for making those efforts they shouldn't be given the help.

As for people with hiv & aids that is something i wouldn't wish on anyone & for the most part alot of people who have contracted the diseases through no fault of their own do need treatment.

But the junkies who have contracted them through stupidity i'm undecided as whether they should receive treatment.

I'm in a similar position as say an alcoholic i have copd bordering on emphysema due to smoking but i have given up smoking to try & keep it a bay for as long as my lungs will hold out.

I make no excuses for the fact the way my lungs are it's my own fault which alot of people with certain conditions don't they make feeble excuses for they way they are.

Had i have know the state my lungs were in earlier i would have give up smoking many years ago but i only found out about 3 years ago when the damage was done & it was to late for anything to be done.

As far as weight yes accept there are people out there who have weight problems as that just the way they are it's the people who eat themselves fat & won't do anything about i have no sympathy for.

Psycologial conditions are something that is beyond any ones control yes they should get treament.

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So going out drinking followed by a one night stand were you then contract HIV. Should you then receive treatment for something that was your own fault. (presuming the carrier was unaware they have it) Catching it that way is no different form a heroin addict catching it through contaminated needles. Lots of people end up using heroin through no fault of their own. Some might chose to and then it spirals out of control and takes over their life. Why should the NHS not help them?

 

The NHS is there to provide health care to all regardless of what or why its for. Sure people who chose to treat their bodies should have to change there life to remain high priority if there is high demand for theatre time but they should not be denied treatment all together.

 

My cousin was diagnosed with testicular cancer nothing you can do to stop that and was contacted by the hospital to come in for surgery on a certain date. He said he couldn't make that day. Got a call back from some one more senior the next day he'd been given another date to come in then told clearly if he didn't go then he'd no longer be priority. If he had turned that one down the next date would not have been definite. If somebody else needed the theatre for surgery then the hospital would have placed them first. Where as the first time he was told to come in the theatre was guaranteed for him. Luckily the second date he was given was treated with the same priority.

 

Should be the same say for an obese person needing heart surgery they should have reduce there weight by dieting (seeing as exercise isn't an option) refusal to do so will then lead to them possibly being delayed if another patient needs to be in the theatre they were scheduled to use but not denied treatment out right. I know there are times when they will refuse to operate in less serious cases due to risk of complications during surgery as a result of being obese but if its something life threatening then they need it and theres no time then they shouldn't be denied it.

 

 

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Once something is a medical problem the NHS should do everything in its power to tackle it, regardless of how this medical problem came about.

 

You dropped something on your leg, they should xray it, patch it up and help you. You got knocked down, they should try save your life. You contracted aids either being a total numpty or through a total accident they should set out to make your life as well as possible, you were born in the wrong gender body, they should try right it, you need a transplant, they should put you on a list and god willing do the operation as soon as they can.

 

Thats the way it should work, and they should priorotise by need, they cant do transplant operations all day and night cause they dont have the organs, so they should put those in most need on the top.. The cosmetic doctor cant even do transplants or deal with cancer, so they should be doing burn victims, and life saving reconstruction and then gender operations. No one is asking that they throw a burn victim onto the ground to put breasts implants in someone, but it just so happens that they dont always have burn victims or people with bitten off noses to work on.

 

If money is tight, then sadly you will have to cut some stuff, and the way the world works it might not be stuff that tries to help obese people, because not helping obese people costs more etc.

 

Thats my opinion anyway, or keep spending the money on fireworks, I like fireworks.

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You have deliberately taken what i said out of context.

At no point did i ever say that people who need treatment shouldn't get it what i said was if you don't take responsibility for sorting yourself out to be eligible to get that treatment then you shouldn't be given priority.

Things like testicular cancer are things that can not be avoided & are things that got through no fault of the person who has it.

Hope your cousin is well & recovering.

And i have already said that when it is to saving someones life then surgery is justified.

The fact that an obese person would have had years of warnings from doctors to do something about there weight & been told the health risk if they don't but still make no effort why should they be given a priority over someone who has made that effort to recieve treatment.

While i was in hospital for my heart surgery last month there was a guy who had been booked for surgery & had it cancelled on him 4 times before he actually got it because emergencies came in.

I had mine cancelled on me when i was actually on my way to the hospital but that was mainly down to the fact i had a chest infection & they didn't want to take the risk.

The fact aids & hiv  have been around for years not using a condom with a one night stand is the choice you make taking that risk & only have yourself to blame.

Drug addicts can easily avoid catching aids or hiv by using their own needles but they don't they choose to share samething they make that choice& have no one to blame but themselves.

If people don't take responsibility for their own actions then they have only themselves to blame the same with me & smoking it was my choice i only have myself to blame.

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Muttykins wrote:

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Weight loss surgery is not a pointless operation. Saves the NHS money in the long run from other complications associated with obesity. How would you feel if there is 1 heart is available for a transplant thats perfect for you but another person gets that transplant over you because they need it more urgently from a condition brought on by obesity that could of been helped if they had, had their stomach stapled by the NHS.

 


 

They could try dieting as that's what anyone else does if they need to lose weight.

Why should people who like a pig & refuse to help themselves be entitled surgery like that.

There no excuse for anyone to be obese.

Same as alcohohics you can't someone who isn't prepared to help themselves i have been around alcoholics growing up & even when they have had help they still drink themselves to death.



There's a myriad of reasons (not excuses) for people to be obese or alcoholic. People not being able to help themselves is more of a reason for professional help than doing nothing and leaving them to it. Are you saying anorexics should be left to starve themselves to death because even with help they refuse to eat? Or that people with mental health problems shouldn't be allowed hospitalisation because they refuse to take their medication? By your own argument nobody would ever receive treatment because someone else can always think of a better, more worthy recipient for it than the next. That's why we have professionals to make these decisions.

 

I have nothing but praise for the NHS and I daresay I've been in closer contact with it than most members. When it comes to the running and application of resources and deciding who gets treatment I leave that to the professionals and if they oppose the bill in such great numbers and so stridently who on earth am I to tell them they're wrong? I could also take this opportunity to stick the boot in to the Tories and the Lib Dems but I won't. They're doing a far better job of showing exactly what they are than I could. And besides, it's early and I've not had my toast yet. I love toast I do.

 

 

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This only affects England. :)

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