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Pin-Pin-Ire wrote:
I thought my wall of text was bad, that's just information overload
I tried to read what you posted but if you want people to read it, try and make it more concise
Some things I think I can answer.
Regarding science like the vacuum, Citadel orbiting earth, supernova, Synthesis etc. It's science fiction, those things only matter when the developers need them for the story and can be largely ignored when they don't need them. The developers may not have explicitly state how/why but all they have to do is have one line of dialogue in the next mass effect game or book.
You stated that the "Synthetic Life eventually destroying Organic Life is NOT EVER a theme in the series" but it is to an extent. In the Mass Effect books, the Reapers mention this while controlling Paul Grayson. While speaking to Kahlee Sanders, they explain that they are "the pinnacle" of evolution and they are there to save advanced species from themselves. When the Geth were created, they were not truly synthetic(Mass Effect: Accession and Revelations both go into this) and that the Council restrictions where in place to prevent a true Synthetic life form from being created.
If you have Javik as a member of your crew, he will tell you that in his cycle, a race of Synthetics became corrupted by the Reapers. Zavik mentions that the only way they could stop the Synthetics from expanding exponentially was to cause their nearest sun to supernova. The Reapers almost certainly did this so the Protheans would wipe out Synthetics. The Reapers also destroyed the galaxy's largest particle accelerator just as it was about to be turned on(If memory serves, they actually went straight to the planet and destroyed it). This goes to show that the Reapers ultimate aim was to preserve life, for the next cycle, by ensuring that destructive Synthetics and cataclysmic events never happened.
Ultimately I think most of our questions will be answered in the next Mass Effect game.
. I did make everything as concise as possible however if I simply said something like "Shepard surviving does not make sense" then it would not be convincing. By elaborating as much as possible on each point I've tried to make it as persuasive, unarguable as possible.
For the first one. I've explained that with regard to the internal logic. Internal logic is incredibly important for science fiction as it is what maintains suspension of disbelief. Vaccums (aren't science fiction) were an integral part within Mass Effect 1 during the ascension up the Citadel Tower. It was the only reason that Shepard was able to reach Saren once the elevators were disabled and as such was an important point. The citadel orbitting Earth is also a plot hole, not something to be disregarded by "science-fiction". It was established that there was a relay to the system where it was kept and this location remained the same throughout each cycle. It couldn't have moved as a result. The relays explosion is also the whole point of Arrival. To disregard it as suspension of disbelief is simply ridiculous (but as stated, I can accept that it is a different form of explosion even if that's still a lazy explanation). Synthesis is the single thing that makes no sense whatsoever. It is simply completely illogical, lacking any form of sense or explanation within the entire game. Yes, how the relays work is science fiction but there is internal logic to how they and mass effect in general works. There is no logic to this and it rips apart suspension of disbelief.
As I've said in the previous post, it's only a problem due to the Reapers. There is never anything outside of them to suggest that Organics vs Synthetics is a problem within the universe. Also, if you wish to quote Reapers' speeches, Sovereign, in the longest speech regarding the Reapers, says that "organic life is nothing but a genetic mutation, an accident" (the pinnacle of evolution and existence coming from the same speech), not to mention "You cannot even grasp the nature of our existence". Hardly convincing evidence that they wish to preserve organic life. Also, the Geth were synthetic (going by the definition of what synthetic is). They were not true AIs is what you mean to say and that's irrelevant to what the Reapers goals are. Protocol was put up regarding the construction of AIs, not the construction of synthetic life forms
And yet again, that simply proves that the Reapers are the only threat to organics. The only Geth attacks came from Heretic Geth, controlled by the Reapers. The only problems in that cycle were brought about by the Reapers. If wiping out Synthetics was the Reapers goal, they could have simply done it themselves through cyberwarfare. Not to mention that the Protheans having the ability to fight during the Prothean-Reaper war is the single biggest plothole/retcon in the whole series.
EDIT: Also, just to point out, the whole series goes to lengths to show that diversity is highly important. Genetic diversity being what makes humans important. The Protheans according to Javik (because as stated this is a plothole) because there was no diversity. However, the ending of Mass Effect 3 comes and the key is to remove all diversity.
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Is there a way to save Anderson? I hit the blue option with the Illusive man everytime it appeared, and Anderson still died.
Also, when everyone comes off the Normandy on that colony I only had like 3 or 4 people. Does this mean the rest of my crewmates died?
The ending is really confusing. The only negative I actually have about the game.
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Kiez wrote:
So I just finished the game. FIrstly, it was a brilliant game. Secondly, all the endings were terrible. The only major difference I saw was the colour of the blast from the Citadel is different
Is there a way to save Anderson? I hit the blue option with the Illusive man everytime it appeared, and Anderson still died.
Also, when everyone comes off the Normandy on that colony I only had like 3 or 4 people. Does this mean the rest of my crewmates died?
The ending is really confusing. The only negative I actually have about the game.
Nope- Anderson dies. The only thing you can have an effect on is how he dies.
Nobody knows what happens to the Normandy crew- it's one of biggest glaring holes this shoddy, shoddy excuse for a finale leaves open.
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I will try not to make this a big essay, I have just finished the game. It was brilliant until the end with the stupid god child thing.
I got a bit annoyed that the last conversation option with the illusive man had the blue bit greyed out even though it didn't matter at any other point in this game (unlike 2 where certain options were not available if you were not strongly paragon or renegade).
I accepted this because I did keep punching people so wasn't fully paragon.
The options: kill all synthetic life (the one I went for). The only one you can live (perhaps) and seems to be the ending for if you are bad but I felt it was for the greater good, and much better than the other options.
Try to control the reapers - who actually would do this? it's fine as an option but you will clearly end up mental like the illusive man.
Sacrifice yourself, merge organic and synthetic DNA (I'm not going to even start on that one) and destroy the mass relays. Seems to be the "good" ending (it's all blue explosions, no death or going insane)
I thought this seemed idiotic because essentially all life would be stranded in the sol system, half of which can't even eat our food. That's a smart move that wouldn't cause any upset!
For some unknown reason Joker turns into a wuss and sods off halfway through the battle, grabs Garrus (who was on earth with me and I would hope would mourn me a little at least - we were going to try and make turian-human babies!)
It seems random who actually survives - why wasn't tali in the normandy? Liara was on earth with me so I'd understand her not surving, but he picked up Garrus.
You can't survive unless you play loads of online, I did a little bit and ALL the side missions. You have zero chance of surviving if you buy it pre-owned, not missing out on some cool side stuff or miss the fun of online - you will not survive.
They top it off with the whole thing being a story some old man is telling his grandkid!
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steveeire wrote:
The more you know of mass effect lore and the more you think about the ending, the worse it becomes.
The truth, ladies and gents. I'm a huge fan of the lore and the more I think about it with all the implications the ending presents, the more irritated I get.
Bioware seem to have underestimated the fan's attention to detail. And we appear to have overestimated theirs.
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