Starhawk

[Tear72]

it didn't, pretty much everything became utterly useless apart from warhawks, making every game you played, no matter what mode, into a dogfight then base rape! not much different to how starhawk seems to be heading/is now. even with weakened cluster bombs the hawks in general are still massively over-powered vs anything else.

[Raven800]

So since the time I posted this thread and after reading all the comments listed, me and my buddy came up with a few ACTUAL balance fixes. Take a look, tell me what you all think. 

recommended changes to starhawk after "Balance update"

Bump up Tank HE splash damage back to default settings

-explanation: HE rounds will be less effective against buildings (direct hit damage still reduced by 30%-33%) but will serve their purpose against infantry and jet bikes as HE rounds (HIGH EXPLOSIVE) are meant to take out soft targets like infantry, jet bikes and jeeps.

Tune down Tank speed by 20-30%

-explanation: Tanks are able to make up for speed with their 360 turn radius speed and the reduced speed will force players to switch from "field mechanic" skill to "engine mod" if they want that extra speed. Furthermore, with this reduction of speed, players will be discouraged from camping enemy spawn territories as drop pods stand a better chance at landing on them due to their slower speed.

Bump up Outpost cost to 6 rift energy

-explanation: Outpost is not as easy to build as a bunker, but also not as difficult to obtain. This will still give players who have "Rift affinity" or "Rift Economy" more strategic value on larger maps, and won't replace the "Squad leader" skill by having Outposts so easily buildable by anyone holding 4 points.

Bump up Starhawk cost to 3 rift energy

-explanation: Corral = 2 rift + 1 rift per Bike. Garage = 4 rift + 2 rift per Jeep. Launch pad = 6 rift + 3 per hawk.

This will also prevent people cluttering the skies with hawks and think more strategically with their points as the high cost output would be significantly greater than or equal to their performance in the long run.

Dumb down Bruiser damage by 33% (or to where it takes 3- 4 swipes with a knife to kill a tank)

-explanation: Bruiser is already strong enough against buildings and vehicles but being able to knife a tank is absurd. Rather than remove the skill, instead make it a little less effective that way it works as both a support and assault skill. Bruiser will still have its effectiveness on buildings and vehicles, just not as ridicules to the point where you're a one-man-army Rambo.

Increase cluster bomb reload time

-explanation: though they're damage has been dumbed down, they still come out way too fast.

Decrease Hawk Flack gun rate of fire

-explanation: 90% of all kills viewed from starthawk battles are Flack guns, the seemingly ONLY reliable weapon and most spammed in any game mode including hawks. By reducing the flak gun rate of fire, it no longer becomes an "end all, be all" weapon while still maintaining its effectiveness.

bring back kicking

-explanation: seriously, not all hosts/admins are *****. bring back kicking, but keep the "file a complaint" system and have it wired directly to the host of the server, letting him make the decision if a player has enough complaints. or better yet, have the option to use either "host kick" or "vote kick" systems when making a server, that way people can choose what kind of governing system they want to play under.

Have evasive maneuvers for hawks drain boost

-explanation: Though evading can help save your life in most situations, spamming it can sometimes make you an untouchable god. By adding a 10% boost drain to all evasions, except barrel rolls and power sliding, dog fighting will be on a more even playing field for both newcomers and veterans alike, and add more strategic value to the "fuel efficiency" skill.

Optional adjustments

(The following is a list of changes they we couldn't agree on. so we listed them as optional because they can be either unbalanced or just not possible.)

Dumb down sniper rifle damage to tanks or increase tank armor

-explanation: Tanks can still have drivers sniped out of them, but sniper rifles would not do as much damage to tanks.

Add "AT Rifle" Skill

description: Improves sniper rifle effectiveness against ground vehicles

achievement: Snipe a driver out of his tank

-explanation: with the previously stated adjustment, "AT Rifle" skill allows the player to spawn in with a sniper rifle that does default damage (before the balance patch) plus a bonus to tanks, jeeps and jet bikes.

Increase AA Rocket projectile speed

-explanation: increase the speed of a shoulder mounted AA missile against hawks.

[KADAFI316]

i still get blow up by tanks when playing i still die by the cluster bombs so ummmm i did not notice a dammm thning that changed(noobs are still camping) all in all still great fun to play but just cant play for hours and hours like warhawk gets really boring after a whille theirs no badges or medals to play for just ponding a base

[Spinodontosaur4]

Raven, great points all around. My only query is the Tank speed; they can barely outrun dropping pods as it is. If it dropped to the point that it couldnt at all, then it may be TOO slow - but then again, that could help tone done the baseraping Tanks have a knack for commiting.

However, to add that, the reduced speed may make Hawks an even more appealing option than they are now, although the increased price would quite likely would counter this, at least to an extent.

>[I]"i still get blow up by tanks when playing i still die by the cluster bombs so ummmm i did not notice a dammm thning that changed"[/I]

If Tanks did not blow you up, or you were not getting Cluster Bombed, then something would be wrong. The idea of the patch was NOT to make Tanks/Hawks unusable.

[KADAFI316]

something is wrong when you look at the map and all you see is tanks somethiong is wrong when you look at players stats and all you see is cluster bomb kills am i missing something here when did this turn in to a tank game and a death by cluster bomb game no wonder they were not in the beta a lot of people would have been simply put off from evenm buying ther game if we new what was waiting for us

dont mind dieing but dieng the same dammm way everytime nahhhhh thats a suker not me mate

i tell you staright out of my old warhawk clann a lot off generals and high ranked players out of 15 guys 2 are playing starhawk does thaty not tell you something mate a lot off people just dont even play it that much anywayz i see my freinds list i played 21 hours level 32 with no effort at least warhawk was challangeing

how can you play if their are tanks every were beem guns every were turrets every were their must be a cap on the amount off stuff they can build its just not fun to play

people moned when their was a 60 sec timer on the tank you no what that was a good idea now put the timer back on the vechiles you spawn 1 u must wait 30 or 60 sec for it to come back

the idea for this patch is after lbi look at their stats for death guess what they saw?

[saberdragon]

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Raven800 wrote:

Dumb down Bruiser damage by 33% (or to where it takes 3- 4 swipes with a knife to kill a tank)

-explanation: Bruiser is already strong enough against buildings and vehicles but being able to knife a tank is absurd. Rather than remove the skill, instead make it a little less effective that way it works as both a support and assault skill. Bruiser will still have its effectiveness on buildings and vehicles, just not as ridicules to the point where you're a one-man-army Rambo.

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Remove it completly theres two perfectly good tools for destroying buildings the Welding Torch & Grinder.....

We dont need a "Super Soldier" weapon because thats what it is....

[Spinodontosaur4]

I dont want to sound like a grammar nazi but Kadafi, I can barely even read what you post without any punctuation or anything.
I dont only see Tanks when I look at my map, after this patch it is almost always swarming with Hawks, even more so than previously. Complaining that, as in infantry, you get killed by a Tank is just...
Besides, unles you stand perfectly still, Tanks have a hard time killing any infantry due to absolutely awful splash damage and range. You can jump and a round hitting directly below your feet will not kill you.

Tanks are still good. What else can you expect - it is a Tank. Hawks are still extremely versatile, with Cluster Bomb being a great anti-ground weapon. They are still extremely powerful, but are not the be-all end-all weapon of mass destruction they previously were. In my rare usage of Hawks, I find myself picking off individual buildings with the Homing Missle rather than the Cluster Bomb.

Putting a timer on the Tank would render them almost obselete compared to the Hawk. Not the way to go imo.

[KADAFI316]

its clearly writen in english just because i did not fall in line and say yes mrs yes sir does not mean i dont know how to play the game i played this game from nov 2011 this game is crapp compared to warhawk do u understand what im saying in not alone on this many many many of us warhawk players hate this crappp game its to easy no rewards just kill kill kill kill i played 1 week got to level 33 and thought you know what this game is crappp warhawk was challageing warhawk was fun warhawk is dead lol

i know many many warhawk high ranked players and not a lot are playing starhawk i bought starhawk to continue this great fan base we have form warhawk but it was a let down and thats the truth mate

[rowlands121]

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KADAFI316 wrote:

its clearly written in english just because i did not fall in line and say yes mrs yes sir does not mean i dont know how to play the game i played this game from nov 2011 this game is crapp compared to warhawk do u understand what im saying in not alone on this many many many of us warhawk players hate this crappp game its to easy no rewards just kill kill kill kill i played 1 week got to level 33 and thought you know what this game is crappp warhawk was challageing warhawk was fun warhawk is dead lol

i know many many warhawk high ranked players and not a lot are playing starhawk i bought starhawk to continue this great fan base we have form warhawk but it was a let down and thats the truth mate

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Could it also be said that the reason you no longer like this game is because you can no longer completely dominate the playing field without stepping a foot outside your Hawk ?.

This game does more for players that have other skills than just flying around and dropping bombs on everything.

Even if you are no good with the weapons and vehicles you can stay in the base and keep building and repairing, making you a valuable asset to any team.

I have seen so many games that I have joined in, including ground pounder where the enemy have dessimated the enemy base, I drop in and start taking out their tanks at a rate of one a minute, and soon the enemy start leaving the game.

This game needs more players  using Mics in order to work better as a team, then we might see a few more close called but well fought matches.

[KADAFI316]

please man ok fair enough i agree to disagree go look my stats i hate the dammm hawks i hate them iam a ground soldier i play on the ground i dont hide in tin cans and pound the enemy please kadafi316 go look my stats you will see were iam and i do not use the dammm hawks i HATE THEM

the game is unbalanced because they did not think it trough enough they simply did not listen to the fan the beta testers not 1 person on this forums had their opinion and voices herd but they want us to play their game

iam angry because i waited 2007 till now for a good game this what we got 8 generals form warhawk and many more high ranked players i know all over the place people from warhawk are not playing starhawk now why is that ask the right questions mate or dont ask questions to answers you dont want to know

it is amazing game i kinow i played it everyday mate i played it a lot in the beta  it just has no balance and no fun for me il still play with freinds in private games much better maybe add me so we can play together maybe il have more fun mate kadafi316 thanks rowlands121 peace out my brother! my clann is $k!l uk clann good players tooo